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poor use of position?

edited April 2011 in The Poker Clinic

ok bit of a nothing hand, but an example of wot i wanna ask about.

been raising pretty much every button, and had been 3 bettin him a fair bit, villian is decent player more than capable of 3bettin me light, i call his 3bet pre & float flop simply coz im IP and plan to take pot away if i sense any weakness, the check on the turn is my greenlight and i bet.

when he c/r shoves turn obvv i have to fold, but my Q is am i makin it too obvious im just usin my position? this is a good spot for villian to shove back over the top of me here? i struggle to put him on a hand that 3bets pre, bets flop, checks turn on that board. but at the same time i dont really know wot im reppin! does my bet make any sense on the turn? i cud play overpairs this way right? or shud overpairs/sets raise flop on this type of board?....im gettin caught out quite a bit lately with this type of thing & its doin my head in, am i just spewing money playin like this? (knock urself out n1ck lol) or is it good play? if he has a hand hes prepared to get it with y does he check turn? when i call flop on this board 10 on turn dont change much so surely he shud bet again? he dont kno i have nowt, so no reason 4 him to think i wont call. maybe he just read me kinda well (altho i dont understand his shove-unless hes bluffin himself) .... thoughts?

PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
ratedRKO Small blind  £1.00 £1.00 £181.18
Big blind  £2.00 £3.00 £200.80
  Your hole cards
  • 7
  • K
     
ratedRKO Raise  £5.00 £8.00 £176.18
Raise  £16.00 £24.00 £184.80
ratedRKO Call  £12.00 £36.00 £164.18
Flop
   
  • 3
  • 4
  • 2
     
Bet  £22.00 £58.00 £162.80
ratedRKO Call  £22.00 £80.00 £142.18
Turn
   
  • 10
     
Check     
ratedRKO Bet  £50.00 £130.00 £92.18
All-in  £162.80 £292.80 £0.00
ratedRKO Fold     
Muck     
Win  £179.00  £179.00
Return  £112.80 £1.00

Comments

  • edited April 2011
    fold pre. srsly.  K7o just isnt a good hand to be doing this with
    i prefer checking back turn and halfpotting river because thats what i do with 55-99 if im not stacking off pre or on the flop
  • edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: poor use of position?:
    fold pre. srsly.  K7o just isnt a good hand to be doing this with i prefer checking back turn and halfpotting river because thats what i do with 55-99 if im not stacking off pre or on the flop
    Posted by LOL_RAISE
    cheers. im assuming u dont mean open fold? just fold to his 3bet? .. wot u say about checkin back turn and ur reasons are helpful ty -- this is wot im worried about i dont know wot im reppin with a bet on the turn here, i dont think i always 4bet pre with pp i can easily flat AA/KK in that spot too (altho villian has no reason to know that) but i guess i do check back turn wit middle pairs majority of time. does my bet just look like a bluff? and wot u think he is c/r shovin with?
  • edited April 2011

    ok here is another hand against same villian. this hand is after the previous 1 ive put up. i call his 3bet pre again simple coz im IP (altho i guess its pretty bad i shud just fold) this time i check back turn - altho i shud be bettin here? but as i now know he is capable of c/r me in this spot i check back to see the river. 

    when he bets the river shud i be calling or raising here? if i raise/shove are there enough hands that i beat that bet call the river? am i potentially missing some value if i just flat?



    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    ratedRKO Small blind  £1.00 £1.00 £188.36
    Big blind  £2.00 £3.00 £194.00
      Your hole cards
    • 6
    • Q
         
    ratedRKO Raise  £5.00 £8.00 £183.36
    Raise  £16.00 £24.00 £178.00
    ratedRKO Call  £12.00 £36.00 £171.36
    Flop
       
    • J
    • A
    • J
         
    Bet  £20.00 £56.00 £158.00
    ratedRKO Call  £20.00 £76.00 £151.36
    Turn
       
    • K
         
    Check     
    ratedRKO Check     
    River
       
    • 9
         
    Bet  £48.00 £124.00 £110.00
  • edited April 2011
    bump. rsvp :-)
  • edited April 2011
    no replys needed to previous hand. ive quit poker for good. cool game but i play to win money and all i do is lose lately so decided to throw the towel in! coz basically i just suck! enjoyed playin here and goodluck to all of ya. my exit hand lol. LATERS!!
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    ratedRKO Small blind   £1.50 £1.50 £273.29
    Keysasoze6 Big blind   £3.00 £4.50 £326.60
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • J
         
    ratedRKO Raise   £7.50 £12.00 £265.79
    Keysasoze6 Raise   £27.00 £39.00 £299.60
    ratedRKO Call   £21.00 £60.00 £244.79
    Flop
       
    • K
    • A
    • 3
         
    Keysasoze6 Bet   £36.00 £96.00 £263.60
    ratedRKO Call   £36.00 £132.00 £208.79
    Turn
       
    • 10
         
    Keysasoze6 Bet   £105.00 £237.00 £158.60
    ratedRKO All-in   £208.79 £445.79 £0.00
    Keysasoze6 Call   £103.79 £549.58 £54.81
    ratedRKO Show
    • A
    • J
         
    Keysasoze6 Show
    • A
    • K
         
    River
       
    • J
         
    Keysasoze6 Win Two Pairs, Aces and Kings £548.58   £603.39
  • edited April 2011
    no, he meant open fold.
  • edited April 2011
    nah  i meant fold to the 3bet, def opening K7o HU.

    it seemslike you jsut call way too many 3bets ip with pretty marginal holdings

    AJ hand vs keysa is just a cooler if hes 3betting you alot
  • edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: poor use of position?:
    nah  i meant fold to the 3bet, def opening K7o HU. it seemslike you jsut call way too many 3bets ip with pretty marginal holdings AJ hand vs keysa is just a cooler if hes 3betting you alot
    Posted by LOL_RAISE
    what do you think of villains 3bet sizing? if hes good hes well aware that op is bad and calls 3bets light i would be surprised if he 3bets light but obviously its adjusted to ops calling range
  • edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: poor use of position?:
    nah  i meant fold to the 3bet, def opening K7o HU. it seemslike you jsut call way too many 3bets ip with pretty marginal holdings AJ hand vs keysa is just a cooler if hes 3betting you alot
    Posted by LOL_RAISE
    +1
     Can't keep on calling 3 bets and then try and dance your way to the pot.
    This is very read dependant as the majority of the time they have the goods.
    Better play would be to 4bet pre if you think they are 3 betting light and most importantly not a station )
  • edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: poor use of position?:
    In Response to Re: poor use of position? : what do you think of villains 3bet sizing? if hes good hes well aware that op is bad and calls 3bets light i would be surprised if he 3bets light but obviously its adjusted to ops calling range
    Posted by N1CK

    looks like std 3x/9x sizings preflop..i prefer making it 10x though just to be different.
    if villain is aware he calls alot he should be 3betting 'light' but never as a pure bluff so strong broadway hands become the nuts like KQ AJ KJ etc
  • edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: poor use of position?:
    In Response to Re: poor use of position? : looks like std 3x/9x sizings preflop..i prefer making it 10x though just to be different. if villain is aware he calls alot he should be 3betting 'light' but never as a pure bluff so strong broadway hands become the nuts like KQ AJ KJ etc
    Posted by LOL_RAISE
    yeah i agree he can be 3 betting k 10 and ax hands for value
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