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Cant beat a loose turbo Tourney that runs tonight. All advice gratefully received.
There's a turbo shortstack i've had a crack at on a thursday night, but my results are awful. Mainly guys that work at a local power plant. Generally the standard of play is awful, but there are three or 4 guys that are pretty good.
There tends to be about 35-45 runners, starting stack of 4000, blinds run at 20mins, but go up stupidly.
25/50
50/100
100/200
200/400
1k/2k
2k/4k
4k/8k
8k/16k
Buy in is £100, I think I've only cashed once. But I do well enough in the side games for it to be a profitable night.
But the standard of play is just terrible. Half the table play every hand, dont fold to raises, have no understanding of position or have any table awareness at all. If they like their hand their in, simple as.
Because of the starting stack if you make even one mistake from level 2 onwards your pretty much done.
I just cant crack it. My money goes in by way ahead, but because you've been called in so many spots there are just so many cards to dodge its insane.
I have to figure I dont care if I get unlucky and go out early, as it means I get into the cash game early and start building a stack for deepstack collisions hours later. So with this in mind do you go down the uber aggressive street or pot control route. Or something else.
That game is really getting to me.
There tends to be about 35-45 runners, starting stack of 4000, blinds run at 20mins, but go up stupidly.
25/50
50/100
100/200
200/400
1k/2k
2k/4k
4k/8k
8k/16k
Buy in is £100, I think I've only cashed once. But I do well enough in the side games for it to be a profitable night.
But the standard of play is just terrible. Half the table play every hand, dont fold to raises, have no understanding of position or have any table awareness at all. If they like their hand their in, simple as.
Because of the starting stack if you make even one mistake from level 2 onwards your pretty much done.
I just cant crack it. My money goes in by way ahead, but because you've been called in so many spots there are just so many cards to dodge its insane.
I have to figure I dont care if I get unlucky and go out early, as it means I get into the cash game early and start building a stack for deepstack collisions hours later. So with this in mind do you go down the uber aggressive street or pot control route. Or something else.
That game is really getting to me.
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Say you find AK/Q Pocket 10's upwards, raise 5.5x b in eary mid position, get called in 5 spots. Value betting against 5 idiots luckbox ranges becomes incredibly difficult and dangerous, especially since most of them wont fold any draw!
I was thinking about approaching it the same way as I do their cash game. Limp Jamming big hands. Seems like a better way to isolate rather than having one raise called multi way...
yeah turbo's and rebuys arent really my thing
btw were is this game? it sounds more like a freeroll than a £100 pull up
This one person is in every single hand regardless of the action. One of the few good players has been picking up trash all night and is on auto fold. He finally raise a pot 4x blind in the second level on my BB, he gets 3 callers, I find AJh so am pretty much priced in. Flop comes A7Jr. They are not folding so lead out half pot. Solid player folds (QQ shows me at showdown) other 3 players call. A7J2. I go all in with top two, get two callers, pocket 6's and 67o, 7 hits the river when moneys allin. How do you play against that?
These are pretty much the points that i'm trying to put across. This is just unlucky as you say, but when your playing multi way pots, where the pot has got too big pre, where people wont fold your likelyhood of being "unlucky" on the river is proportionately higher. But as Doh says, this is the nature of shallow turbo's i guess.
I have adopted the limp Jam 4 bet in EP strategy and pot control in mid late position in the cash game against the same players, so I think I may introduce the same strategy in the tournament. Issue is that these guys make alot of money, so they dont overly care about the cash game, which leads me to the conclusion they'll care even less about their tournament chips.
But the above is a winning strategy against them in cash so I'll see how it goes tonight.
Your mean but I'm going to stop biting. There are between 3 and 6 of us that have a £50 last longer bet, WTA, so that spices it up a little.
I'd never do the other thing though. Have under the table agreements in a few games to shut down river bets w/out the top 5 nut hands but this is different.
Enter the cash game late. Open on the button with 5's, where i may often limp. Decent player calls as do two idiots. Flop comes AQ5r yippee. Bet half pot after checks round get called in two spots, turn comes a blank, i bet half my remaining stack, get jammed on and called before it gets back to me. good player has AQ, idiot has QJ, river bricks I win a big pot, happy days. Only pot I played.
Red wine calls me now
Turbo tournys are spews. I actually used to play in a very similar structured tournament with very similar players. 3000 was starting stack and the blinds where exactly the same. although we had a 400/800 and 500/1000 level which i think makes a huge differance.
Although even then the last time i played in that 18 people left and the big stack had 4BB. My 3.5BB stack walked out in 18th after a 3way all in on my BB when i had KQ. i flopped a K which was good, until 4 clubs came out.
Anyways needless rambling. The simple way i felt how to deal with this was actually limping in with connectors and 1/2 suited gappers in level one. Just shoving with my big hands. Not ideal but you will get 1 caller. Playing flops with them. I know my edge is crushed by the structure, so by understanding their games better i forgot about out-playing them pre flop. And worry about binking on the flop.
Level 2 i played similar, however by level 3 id tighten up and just shove if i was playing if a number of the limp callers where still in. However if you have now out lasted them and you surrounded by decent players you can maybe start to play "normal poker"