I can't believe I didn't get paid off....

CLIOKID · September 2009

Consecutive hands here....

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
eddiebab02	Small blind		£0.50	£0.50	£66.58
s_half9	Big blind		£1.00	£1.50	£96.00
	Your hole cards	5 6
mosesposes	Raise		£4.00	£5.50	£69.72
snipersean	Fold
CLIOKID	Call		£4.00	£9.50	£43.00
eddiebab02	Fold
s_half9	Fold
Flop
		2 9 2
mosesposes	Bet		£10.00	£19.50	£59.72
CLIOKID	All-in		£43.00	£62.50	£0.00
mosesposes	Fold
CLIOKID	Show	5 6
CLIOKID	Win		£61.03		£61.03

Complete bluff gets through.

Very next hand....

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
s_half9	Small blind		£0.50	£0.50	£95.50
mosesposes	Big blind		£1.00	£1.50	£58.72
	Your hole cards	J J
snipersean	Call		£1.00	£2.50	£139.84
CLIOKID	Raise		£5.00	£7.50	£56.03
eddiebab02	Fold
s_half9	Fold
mosesposes	Call		£4.00	£11.50	£54.72
snipersean	Call		£4.00	£15.50	£135.84
Flop
		K 6 J
mosesposes	Check
snipersean	Check
CLIOKID	Bet		£9.00	£24.50	£47.03
mosesposes	Call		£9.00	£33.50	£45.72
snipersean	Call		£9.00	£42.50	£126.84
Turn
		8
mosesposes	Check
snipersean	Check
CLIOKID	All-in		£47.03	£89.53	£0.00
mosesposes	Fold
snipersean	Fold
CLIOKID	Muck
CLIOKID	Win		£87.73		£87.73

After showing the bluff would you all agree that this was the best way to play the hand after?? Thought I'd get called down light in this spot or was it too aggressive?

scotty77 · September 2009

I would doubt they are thinking players tbf, but IMO people very rarely bluff 2 hands in a row, hence your hand looks super strong.

However you played it fine IMO. I would maybe bet slightly more (11-13) OTF. Turn you don't really need to go AI. I think you can bet 28 or so and it still says 'im commited to the pot' so if you really wanna get value from drawing hands, while at the same time not giving them the odds to call, then I'd choose that line.

BADBOY985 · September 2009

ON THE SECOND HAND THERES NOT MUCH ON THE BOARD FOR THE OTHER 2 PLAYERS TO BE WORKING TO SO YOUR ALL IN IS ASKING SOMEONE TO PUT IN £45 FOR AT BEST 2 PAIR.
BUT LOOKING AT THIS AS TWO HANDS IN A ROW YOUVE NEARLY DOUBLED YOU MONEY SO THE PAY WASNT TO BAD

NoseyBonk · September 2009

I can't believe I DID get paid off....

Nice when it happens! Didn't wanna lose my customer on the river hence the smallish raises until it got meaty

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
ash87	Small blind		10.00	10.00	1970.00
babygirl16	Big blind		20.00	30.00	1820.00
	Your hole cards	8 8
NoseyBonk	Call		20.00	50.00	1980.00
Mark_Mcg	Fold
RAMONDO	Fold
trappper	Fold
ash87	Fold
babygirl16	Check
Flop
		8 10 8
babygirl16	Check
NoseyBonk	Check
Turn
		J
babygirl16	Bet		20.00	70.00	1800.00
NoseyBonk	Call		20.00	90.00	1960.00
River
		J
babygirl16	Bet		20.00	110.00	1780.00
NoseyBonk	Raise		100.00	210.00	1860.00
babygirl16	Raise		160.00	370.00	1620.00
NoseyBonk	Raise		320.00	690.00	1540.00
babygirl16	Raise		660.00	1350.00	960.00
NoseyBonk	All-in		1540.00	2890.00	0.00
babygirl16	All-in		960.00	3850.00	0.00
NoseyBonk	Show	8 8
babygirl16	Muck	4 J
NoseyBonk	Win	Four 8s	3850.00		3850.00

Sky_Dave · September 2009

CLIO.

Interesting hand, the second one. I like the way you played it pre and on the flop, actually. The flop size bet being on the smaller side does look a little like a bluff, so might induce a raise. It also keeps some gutshots and small pairs sticking around to try and peel a favourable turn.

The bet size on the turn is trickier though, and comes as a result of your stack size in relation to the pot. With £47 in your stack and £42 in the pot, the job now is to get your whole stack, but shoving just basically price out weakish one pair and drawing type hands. I would personally go for another weak looking bet in the hope to get another street of value. £18 would be giving your opponent 65:18 on the pot, or just better than 4:1, which would have the maths people potentially wincing. Personally, I think it's fine. If we put him on a range of hands, he could have any of the following:

Pocket pairs between say 88-55 - bigger pairs might have reraised us pre flop.

AJs-ATs/AJo-ATo, - overcard and gutshot kind of hand.

A6s,K7s+,Q8s+,J8s+/A6o,KTo+,Q9o+,J9o+, Suited one pair hands that hit the flop but can't really play the hand too aggressively on the flop

None of these hands are super-strong, and it's mainly QT that we're worried about, perhaps some one pair hands which picked up a flush draw on the turn. So against two opponents who have a similar range of hands, you've got about 89% equity on the pot. Basically, offering 4:1 is ok. Folding the river if an A or 9 comes might be sickening, but you want both of their stacks and so we're willing to run a risk.

Betting weak like that also gets them to try and push you off, although any smart player will realise that with so much in the pot and £29 left, you're not going anywhere.

Those are my thoughts, anyway. If you're wondering how we do those number/rangey things, I use something called Pokerstove which you can download for free and is well worth playing around with when analysing your hands. Of course, people might disagree with me entirely on this, and I am up for some criticism - good way to improve your game and thinking

That's all. I need a coffee now.

Dave

Grimstar30 · September 2009

In Response to Re: I can't believe I didn't get paid off....:

I can't believe I DID get paid off.... Nice when it happens! Didn't wanna lose my customer on the river hence the smallish raises until it got meaty Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance ash87 Small blind 10.00 10.00 1970.00 babygirl16 Big blind 20.00 30.00 1820.00 Your hole cards 8 8 NoseyBonk Call 20.00 50.00 1980.00 Mark_Mcg Fold RAMONDO Fold trappper Fold ash87 Fold babygirl16 Check Flop 8 10 8 babygirl16 Check NoseyBonk Check Turn J babygirl16 Bet 20.00 70.00 1800.00 NoseyBonk Call 20.00 90.00 1960.00 River J babygirl16 Bet 20.00 110.00 1780.00 NoseyBonk Raise 100.00 210.00 1860.00 babygirl16 Raise 160.00 370.00 1620.00 NoseyBonk Raise 320.00 690.00 1540.00 babygirl16 Raise 660.00 1350.00 960.00 NoseyBonk All-in 1540.00 2890.00 0.00 babygirl16 All-in 960.00 3850.00 0.00 NoseyBonk Show 8 8 babygirl16 Muck 4 J NoseyBonk Win Four 8s 3850.00 3850.00
Posted by NoseyBonk

He hit the full house so prob helped matters! he was very unlucky for the two jacks to come on the river. Anything else you prob would have not got paid off as much. Lucky b**ger lol

I can't believe I didn't get paid off....

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