Horrid spot for my tourny

RogueCell

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
zombibonmb	Small blind		800.00	800.00	34527.49
RogueCell	Big blind		1600.00	2400.00	20225.01
	Your hole cards	10 9
bigal36903	Fold
dampdemon	Call		1600.00	4000.00	52540.00
zombibonmb	Call		800.00	4800.00	33727.49
RogueCell	Check
Flop
		Q 8 2
zombibonmb	Check
RogueCell	Check
dampdemon	Bet		1600.00	6400.00	50940.00
zombibonmb	Call		1600.00	8000.00	32127.49
RogueCell	Call		1600.00	9600.00	18625.01
Turn
		J
zombibonmb	All-in		32127.49	41727.49	0.00

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What do people think here?  Obviously I have the nut straight but any 2 random spades are crushing me.  No solid reads on player, but thought was quite capable of limping in from SB with any 2 suited.

mattless

call for me, if he had flush why overbet all in?

Seagull158

I'm throwing this one away. There's still one to act behind you and they could both be chasing the flush.

WHOAMI196

he has to have the flush there shoving 32k into 2 oppo 1 having him crushed chip wise, id put money on it. he probably has a small suited connector and  likely to be afraid of another spade commin on the river. it is a horrid spot with a player behind too, u could call hopin hes a donk or/and belive your 10s may be good enough for the re-draw if your wrong. if i was playing well i would fold here, so most of the time i would call lol 

pryce6

In Response to Re: Horrid spot for my tourny:

call for me, if he had flush why overbet all in?
Posted by mattless

this

YOUNG_GUN

I fold bad players seem to snap shove with the nuts for some reason, lots of chips left so pick a better spot and wait for more reads imo

altho hard one to fold really

grantorino

fold or raise flop, I would fold. How can you justify calling, esp if you are not happy with Js?

 I snap the turn

Edit:misread stack sizes, maybe you can call flop but its pretty marginal. Definitely shove pre

Dudeskin8

Being hyper aggro at these stages I would find it very hard not to jam in their ugly faces preflop and take down the free 5k already in there.

RogueCell

LOL dude

rancid

call and shut your eyes coin flip

RogueCell

Grantorino:  stop being so critcal.  I am BB here.  Methinks you just enjoy being critical.

grantorino

RogueCell: Dont post hands if you dont want advice. I dont particularly like being critical, I'm just giving my thoughts, you are free to make of them what you will

I think shoving pre is best

Once you check, calling flop is marginal given low stacksizes, your implied odds are limited by stacksizes. I misread stacksizes and betsizes 1st time its prob just about ok to call

Given the pot odds you have got I am never folding, you have best hand lots

N1CK

In Response to Re: Horrid spot for my tourny:

RogueCell: Dont post hands if you dont want advice. I dont particularly like being critical, I'm just giving my thoughts, you are free to make of them what you will I think shoving pre is best Once you check, calling flop is marginal given low stacksizes, your implied odds are limited by stacksizes. I misread stacksizes and betsizes 1st time its prob just about ok to call Given the pot odds you have got I am never folding, you have best hand lots
Posted by grantorino

whats wrong with calling the flop with a gutshot....sorry i ment a gutshot with a dirty out

RogueCell

Yep thanks N1ck was waiting for that and you didn't disappoint.  Had to be you.  I dunno.  Basically I screwed up here.  I was just wondering whether N1ck and grantorino have ever approved anyone else's play?

N1CK

In Response to Re: Horrid spot for my tourny:

Yep thanks N1ck was waiting for that and you didn't disappoint.  Had to be you.  I dunno.  Basically I screwed up here.  I was just wondering whether N1ck and grantorino have ever approved anyone else's play?
Posted by RogueCell

im sorry i take my comment back...you played this hand brilliantly...happy?

The_Don90

Rogue i actually think your getting the right odds or close to on the flop to call on the gutshot normally. However because you are going to hate on of the Jacks i would rather you jammed pre or on the flop.

The turn is so sick. You do have the 10 of spades, but even still you can be drawing dead. I suspect opponent has a set but the guy behind could easily have a flush.

ARGHH sick spot.

I think its a fold tbh. But that means i usually call lol.

YOUNG_GUN

12 Bigs why would she be shoving here? i dont like that option really, i prob fold on flop as bit of a long shot altho you are getting the price. problem with the turn card they could easily have flush any of the 2 left in so i would still fold even though sometimes your be ahead

stuart376

Hey guys

Its a call in my opinion. reasons being...

If dampedon has a flush draw i dont think he bets 1/3 of pot on the flop. he either checks for a free card or bets closer to 3/4 of pot to shove others off the hand.

Zombi i think would either check raise the flop on a flush or flat call flop check turn with intentions of raising any bet. If he has a flush its a clever play because it looks like its a steal and with no reads im not giving him credit for being too clever.

with it only 4 handed and you having 11ish BBs behind, 9600 in the middle before the shove from zombi makes it a call from me.

what did you do out of interest and what happened? (apologies if you have already said the outcome.)

scrumdown

are u jokeing roque just shove close your eyes and pray useally works for u

RogueCell

OK.  Thanks YG and Don and everyone else who managed to be constructive.  The bigstack here was min betting EVERY flop hence my call.  His min bet meant nothing.  Hell against him I thought my Ts and 9s were outs.

I folded but as soon as I had done so I was just hating it.  You know how sometimes your gut instinct kicks in when you've made the decision?

@scrumdown: lol.  Not such a luckbox Rogue this time.  But plenty of others

RogueCell

Thank you N1CK.  Quite why you feel so able to rub everyone else on this site down is beyond me.

dantb10

I wud just shove pre flop. Button limps and sb completes its pretty weak just stick it in there eye.

As played to get to the turn i dont fold. Readless i wud think he very rarely shoves a flush, and we cant make the call on the flop, hit one of our 4 outs and then fold?

If you think you are getting the right price to call the gutterball on the flop, u are including the jack of spades, otherwise we arent getting the right price to make the call and shud fold the flop.

But at the turn its a pretty easy call i wud think.

(only my thoughts, i dont want to come across in a negative way)

RogueCell

Thanks Dan, knew I'd effed it up