awful call

unknown_username

in a torn 2 nite im bb

have 3s

guy with 9700 chips goes 1050

i have 5900

i push all in

he calls wiv Q/7

and guess what..lol

he had the nerve to say i plyed it badly..

did i???

unknown_username

plyed it correct looks gd enuff 4 me cheers guys

dodgydaz

to be honest kev at best is a 50/50 race I personally wouldnt call it a bad play, it is a questionable call though

FlashFlush

Personally I Wouldnt play it the same way either of you did... I would of flat called the raise on BB, if its a low flop then push... but if a flop comes AKQ for example then your 33 is probs no good vs a raiser... Also im presuming blinds are between 200 and 400 ?? therefor you have plenty of time still to wait for a better spot, so may not shove on a flop unless i hit neway.... As for him calling with Q7, all i can say is eeeeoooorrrrr

unknown_username

In Response to Re: awful call:

to be honest kev at best is a 50/50 race I personally wouldnt call it a bad play, it is a questionable call though
Posted by dodgydaz

id say,, what did he think he was beating,,, 8/5??

webby234

i just saw a player in same tourny call an all in qith queen4, up against 10s and hit, who took the lid off the bowl?

webby

DAVEYZZ

hi kev it was a mugs call but what do you expect,it is getting very hard to make people fold at online poker,so if you push with 33 you gotta expect a call and hope for the best,personally i have stopped pushing with marginal hands because even if you have ak etc he calls with his q7 and hits 40% of the time......cheers bud

apollo_11

It all depends on wether the villian is a perpetual raises and caller.
If he raises a lot then go for it.
If he is tight then I would fold every time.

unknown_username

In Response to Re: awful call:

hi kev it was a mugs call but what do you expect,it is getting very hard to make people fold at online poker,so if you push with 33 you gotta expect a call and hope for the best,personally i have stopped pushing with marginal hands because even if you have ak etc he calls with his q7 and hits 40% of the time......cheers bud
Posted by DAVEYZZ

cheers guys not 2 bothered tbh least i plyed it 100% correct

b lukky all, i will be back on thurs wish me luck im in a big torn 2 nite


cya soon guys ,oh and i will update pontoon footie 2 moz nite

SwansFC

orite kev, how you get on in that freeroll in the end mate? i got dc and came back to 195 chips lol, finished 25th

Grimstar30

Whats the torny Kev?

unknown_username

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Whats the torny Kev?
Posted by Grimstar30

sitting 9th 111 left top 30 paid  ,,10.000 dollars to winner

unknown_username

just hit broadway on flop and got paid


4th now 109 remain

i will need 2 stay awake 5 hrs more i think

unknown_username

Your all-in was I think rash. What were you hoping for? You don't say what the blinds were but 20% of your stack to call against what I assume was a fairly substantial raise would be an expensive flop. If you were hoping he'd fold then your risking your tournament for 1000 chips when he could hold anything against your 33. However, having said that his call is attrocious, he's calling half his stack with junk. As it turns out it was a coin flip and he got lucky. Pocket 3's facing a big raise I'd have chucked 'em without a second thought.

THESWISS

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in a torn 2 nite im bb have 3s guy with 9700 chips goes 1050 i have 5900 i push all in he calls wiv Q/7 and guess what..lol he had the nerve to say i plyed it badly.. did i???
Posted by razorkev

What exactly were the blinds? What position was he in? If he was on the button it looks like a good shove but depends on the factors i just mentioned.

Ed

oynutter

tell me his name---i got a list of nutters---lol

J-Hartigan

In Response to Re: awful call:

Personally I Wouldnt play it the same way either of you did... I would of flat called the raise on BB, if its a low flop then push... but if a flop comes AKQ for example then your 33 is probs no good vs a raiser... Also im presuming blinds are between 200 and 400 ?? therefor you have plenty of time still to wait for a better spot, so may not shove on a flop unless i hit neway.... As for him calling with Q7, all i can say is eeeeoooorrrrr
Posted by FlashFlush

I like your play, Kev.  I hate the call.

Remember: you can shove with any two; but you should only be calling off 2/3 of your stack with a premium hand.  Q7 is not a premium hand!  His initial raise is fine (nice try, buddy), but faced with your three-bet jam he should muck it.  Simple.

I'm not sure about FlashFlush's suggestion.  Why make a speculative call with nearly 20% of your stack (unless you were determined to shove the flop, no matter what)?  Personally, I think the correct play in that situation is shove or fold and, because Kev has significant fold equity, I favour the former option...

GREGHOGG

With the 33 its a reshove all in or a fold.

I think you played it right Kev, and it was a terrible call from a player that obviously doesnt know what they are doing. James H is spot on.

All the best m8

PiAnOpLaYa

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just hit broadway on flop and got paid 4th now 109 remain i will need 2 stay awake 5 hrs more i think
Posted by razorkev

where did u finish?

unknown_username

In Response to Re: awful call:

In Response to Re: awful call : I like your play, Kev.  I hate the call. Remember: you can shove with any two; but you should only be calling off 2/3 of your stack with a premium hand.  Q7 is not a premium hand!  His initial raise is fine (nice try, buddy), but faced with your three-bet jam he should muck it.  Simple. I'm not sure about

FlashFlush's

suggestion.  Why make a speculative call with nearly 20% of your stack (unless you were determined to shove the flop, no matter what)?  Personally, I think the correct play in that situation is shove or fold and, because Kev has significant fold equity, I favour the former option...
Posted by J-Hartigan

i couldnt agree more james,

unknown_username

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In Response to Re: awful call : where did u finish?
Posted by PiAnOpLaYa

4.48 am...... got final table


4.51 am im short stacked push allin on the button with AQ sb has ks and holds up ,


1250.00 dollars made it worth while tho

TENOFSPADE

hi kev m8 ,thinking about this hand ,im folding here imo,u have have 2 ask urself what am i beating here,uve bn raised ,and uve got 33 ,uve got enough allin chips to get him off if hes stealing<5900>,but if hes not stealing ,ur in trouble,i dont think ur 3s r gonna hold up ,unless u hit a set ur gonna have 2 dodge alot of cards ,or ur already bhind...........u havnt got enough bhind 2 flat call ,although i dont know what the blinds r ,so this is debatable......ur allin move is questionable,but it is a 50 50 scenario,on this occasion u got spot on,and the call by villian is shocking....mybe there was some history here btween the 2 of u ,who knows anyways m8 next time just fold b lukky

jimbo31

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hi kev m8 ,thinking about this hand ,im folding here imo,u have have 2 ask urself what am i beating here,uve bn raised ,and uve got 33 ,uve got enough allin chips to get him off if hes stealing<5900 />,but if hes not stealing ,ur in trouble,i dont think ur 3s r gonna hold up ,unless u hit a set ur gonna have 2 dodge alot of cards ,or ur already bhind...........u havnt got enough bhind 2 flat call ,although i dont know what the blinds r ,so this is debatable......ur allin move is questionable,but it is a 50 50 scenario,on this occasion u got spot on,and the call by villian is shocking....mybe there was some history here btween the 2 of u ,who knows anyways m8 next time just fold b lukky
Posted by TENOFSPADE

i agree wiv ten here kev....33 is not that strong to reraise wiv all in tbh....im folding all day long....;-)

jimbo31

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In Response to Re: awful call : 4.48 am...... got final table 4.51 am im short stacked push allin on the button with AQ sb has ks and holds up , 1250.00 dollars made it worth while tho
Posted by razorkev

nice pick up.... wd on s t a rs i take it?;-)

unknown_username

• HIYA ALL
  
  THE HEADLINE WAS CALLED AWFUL CALL SO TBH THINK SOME OF YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT..

BASICALLY MY MOVE WAS MADE TO SHOW REAL AGGRESSION AND HE NEEDED A STRONGISH HND TO CALL AS I WAS MAKING HIM PUT MORE THAN HALF HIS STACK IN .

I WAS ASKING WOULD YOU CALL MORE THAN 55% WITH Q7??

CHEERS 4 UR FEEDBACK THO ALL

J-Hartigan

I'm intrigued by the comments from TENOFSPADE and jimbo31...

Guys - you're placing for too much belief in the villain's opening raise.  Quite frankly, he could have any two cards!  In the modern game, an opening raise means very little...

And, sure enough, in this instance, the villain was raising light.  He SHOULD have folded when Kev shoved.  Instead, he made a sick call and was very lucky to find himself with two live cards, let alone two over-cards!

When Kev pushes all-in from the big blind with his small pair, he knows he is (roughly) 70% favourite to win the hand, because his stack size gives him fold equity.  MOST of the time his opponent will be forced to fold.  Hands like A6, KT and 55 CANNOT call in this situation.

When he does get called, he's only actually losing on the small number of occasions that he's up against a higher pair.  And he's 50/50 against two high cards.

So, shoving from the big blind is the correct percentage play.

As for 33 not being strong enough to re-raise with, I'll repeat my earlier assertion: you can raise with ANY TWO CARDS.

It's when it comes to CALLING that you have to evaluate the strength of your hand :-)

unknown_username

This is the 3rd or 4th post I've seen on here in recent weeks where the hero has gone all-in with 33 and then wonders whether they did the right thing having been wiped out. J Hartgan is right you can push/go all-in with any hand, whether staking your tournament on it is prudent is another matter. Raising into a much bigger stack who is a loose fish is asking for trouble.

Viva la difference. Poker would be boring and uneventful without it.

TENOFSPADE

judgeing by the raise from villian im guessing the blinds r 150 300 ,kev has 5900 stack ,thats  19 bb ,seriously james y would u want 2 put ur entire tournament on the line by shoving all in with a pair of 3s ,....this guy has raised u ,in this instance, he didnt have a hand,but what if he did ,what r u beating ?if i was  short stacked ,no problem in they go ,but 2 put ur entire tourny on line with a pair of 3s when u dont really need 2 get involved ,i dont know y some 1 would do that,each 2 there own i suppose,but im folding all day long here , if u think hes stealing and u can get villain 2 fold then i suppose its a good move but  very very risky.......my self personally he can have my bb ,im waiting 4 a better spot   .......... sorry kev, the call from the villain was shocking

mr_mbro

Hi Kev,
I agree with James.
Personnally, i am more likely to play it the same way, but i am re-evaluating the way i play these hands, because there are too many players who dont recognise the strength of a reraise, and are just willing to gamble.
I dont think im a bad player, but, im losing faith in my game as a result of the number of loose calls that are winning.
I know that it could be varience but very frustrating, especially as when you put it on the site you get accused of trying to put someones play down. it makes me sick and as a result i have cut back my play to mainly deepstack tournies.
I have spoken to a lot of the REGULARS and the consenus was that the Bounty Hunters have a roll in the amount of "bad" play at the moment.
My belief is that, too many of the players play the same way and dont or cant change to a differing pace(me being one of them), I have trouble in BHs so i dont play the much.
I firmly believe that the standard has regressed somewhat over the the last few months.
col

jimbo31

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Hi Kev, I agree with James. Personnally, i am more likely to play it the same way, but i am re-evaluating the way i play these hands, because there are too many players who dont recognise the strength of a reraise, and are just willing to gamble. I dont think im a bad player, but, im losing faith in my game as a result of the number of loose calls that are winning. I know that it could be varience but very frustrating, especially as when you put it on the site you get accused of trying to put someones play down. it makes me sick and as a result i have cut back my play to mainly deepstack tournies. I have spoken to a lot of the REGULARS and the consenus was that the Bounty Hunters have a roll in the amount of "bad" play at the moment. My belief is that, too many of the players play the same way and dont or cant change to a differing pace(me being one of them), I have trouble in BHs so i dont play the much. I firmly believe that the standard has regressed somewhat over the the last few months. col
Posted by mr_mbro

goodpost mr mrbo.... agree with u with the standard regressing and the BH "mentality".... i tend to do the occasional mtt on here now... not as much as i used to as like u quite rightly said "are willing to gamble"... just because they see 2 paint cards or a low pp!!.....its a shame as i remember the descent players who dont seem to be playing here anymore... i also think its to do with the buy in... people throw a tenner down say and think blow it lets go for it.... itsa bit of fun... which primarily it is...... but at the moment there appears to b lacking some skill... just get ur chips in and we will race attitude cheers jim;-)

jimbo31

In Response to Re: awful call:

I'm intrigued by the comments from TENOFSPADE and jimbo31... Guys - you're placing for too much belief in the villain's opening raise.  Quite frankly, he could have any two cards!  In the modern game, an opening raise means very little... And, sure enough, in this instance, the villain was raising light.  He SHOULD have folded when Kev shoved.  Instead, he made a sick call and was very lucky to find himself with two live cards, let alone two over-cards! When Kev pushes all-in from the big blind with his small pair, he knows he is (roughly) 70% favourite to win the hand, because his stack size gives him fold equity.  MOST of the time his opponent will be forced to fold.  Hands like A6, KT and 55 CANNOT call in this situation. When he does get called, he's only actually losing on the small number of occasions that he's up against a higher pair.  And he's 50/50 against two high cards. So, shoving from the big blind is the correct percentage play. As for 33 not being strong enough to re-raise with, I'll repeat my earlier assertion: you can raise with ANY TWO CARDS . It's when it comes to CALLING that you have to evaluate the strength of your hand :-)
Posted by J-Hartigan