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AA Line Check
Villain hasnt got out of line, flats opens pre a good bit, doesnt seem terrible
Interested in what people think of this line, fwiw I considered folding flop much more than I cosidered raising
Turn I have no idea what 1/3 pot bet means, is it more likely a draw?
Interested in what people think of this line, fwiw I considered folding flop much more than I cosidered raising
Turn I have no idea what 1/3 pot bet means, is it more likely a draw?
journeyboy | Small blind | £0.10 | £0.10 | £27.10 | |
| punxxs_13 | Big blind | £0.20 | £0.30 | £41.68 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| grantorino | Raise | £0.80 | £1.10 | £46.47 | |
| xxxx | Call | £0.80 | £1.90 | £43.45 | |
| trojan57 | Fold | ||||
| bubbles29 | Fold | ||||
| journeyboy | Fold | ||||
| punxxs_13 | Fold | ||||
| Flop | |||||
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| grantorino | Bet | £1.43 | £3.33 | £45.04 | |
| xxxx | Raise | £6.19 | £9.52 | £37.26 | |
| grantorino | Call | £4.76 | £14.28 | £40.28 | |
| Turn | |||||
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| grantorino | Check | ||||
| xxxx | Bet | £5.60 | £19.88 | £31.66 | |
| grantorino | Call | £5.60 | £25.48 | £34.68 | |
| River | |||||
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| grantorino | Check | ||||
| xxxx | Check | ||||
Comments
river pretty safe was your plan to check / call? busted flush draws etc id prob do small value bet on end £9
Yeah planned to c/c reasonable sized river bet. Not sure theres that many hands I get value from if I bet
I know your games solid, but just seems a really bad line with A's HU, your way ahead or very unlucky to be behind. River goes check check, I assume your calling a bet? This hand should have been decided on flop IMO. Going into check call mode is utterly bizarre. You should be extractimg, not backing off, if it turns out your behind its unavoidable. Its literally a perfect board to get raised on with A's w/out the A hitting.
If you update the post showing you lost the minimum, opponent holding Q's/3's its utterly immaterial.
He's as easily raising AQ, KQ two spades than a set on the flop. I do not understand the defensive line.
I just dont get it, seriously. You play cash, 6 handed, find A's isolate to one player. Get a great flop, then shutdown action, adopting a check call strategy because you met resistance on the flop.
Essentially you have the 4th nuts. If your opponent has set mined are you check folding turn/river? No.
Why the defensive line?? From his pov he's betting so many hands for value. You shut down action fearing the worst! You go brole its very unlucky/cooler, but you have to bet for value here.
You are uber critical of every post I put up at larger stakes than this, yet play this hand this way. Its bonkers...
Why are you looking to bluffcatch/pot contol/cr. Just put some money in there.
Definitely can't 3bet flop with just one pair no draw,
Definitely can't then lead the turn as his flop range is kinda polarized with such a huge raise (Sets v FD's) and you betting has no real value. You want FD's to keep barreling, and you don't want to give sets another chance to raise you.
Definitely can't check-raise turn as some villians may check behind with FD (even though with him jamming pot in your eye on the flop, i think by the turn you should start to feel easier about your hand)
Definitely can't lead river, same reason as before, way ahead-way behind sitch, so give him the lead.
wp nh, ship the mohnies.
Cheers,
Carlos Smitalos
I'd play it the same, nh wp imo.
1. His flop raising range after flatting my utg open pre 225BB deep
2. What he does with each part of that range if I 3bet
This pot does boil down to one simple thing for me. Opponent lets you off very cheaply at turn and river. You clearly have the best hand I assume when river goes check check. Say opponent does make huge value bets on turn river, if you feel you have got lucky and gone behind, your calling one more large bullet at turn, very least.
SO YOU HAVE TO 3BET FLOP, the extra bet there gives you far more information going to the turn then being forced to call two extra streets at half+ pot sized bets. Plus If you havent gone behind you take back the control in the hand extracting value.
All this talk of seeing people go broke with A's when sat 240BB deep. Its a 6 max cash game, HU to the flop! I disagree, Villain has to raise what he may perceive as your standard c-bet Holding QA QK KK, perhaps slightly weaker Q. He may be inflating pot with spades. His raise gains him the information that he needs going to the turn, otherwise he is left flatting three streets.
Like I sad if you've got unlucky here, you go broke, reload. The defensive line with A's @ 6 max on that board is just kind of a waste.
Its just cheaper, if you have gone behind, to put the three bet in on the flop, than call two more streets at halfpot+. Which frankly your going to be. Also every street you call, your just getting more pot stuck if you are behind, maybe facing an ugly jam on the river.
If you've decided you need to get away from the hand, you need to decide on the flop.
You say you may fold if spade hits turn? Why let him see the turn at the price he sets you??
getting it in on the flop w/o reads/history of him massively overplaying top pair is pretty spewy this deep.
I'm not saying call a 5 bet all in on the flop. I'm saying you have to find out whats happening in the hand. I dont mind the flat on the flop If you intend to do something other than enter check call mode on turn/river . Its just cheaper, if you have gone behind, to put the three bet in on the flop, than call two more streets at halfpot+. Which frankly your going to be. Also every street you call, your just getting more pot stuck if you are behind, maybe facing an ugly jam on the river. If you've decided you need to get away from the hand, you need to decide on the flop. You say you may fold if spade hits turn? Why let him see the turn at the price he sets you??
Posted by AMYBR
Please explain if I 3bet (a) what you expect him to do (b) what I do if he calls/shoves
You say early in this thread that you considored folding the flop when he pushed back, instead you flat, proceeding to the turn, likely paying off two more bets. Say you do 3 bet cheaply flop, he 4 bet jams, flats or folds. The 4 bet gives you more info than you had. It more clearly defines his range. He flats, a worry also. This is problematic as value bets on further streets now become larger. Alternatively he folds. Your 3 bet signals the strength of your hand, as scary to him as his 4 bet potentially is to you. So yes, deny value on later streets. But as it stands, you do not know where you are.
This is not going to be the last bet in the hand. He now proceeds to pay you off with the worst hand, shuts down, or extracts value from you. But you have lost the momentum and ability to generate a much larger pot.
How do we lay down K's to A's, Q's to K's? We garner more information with each bet. You shut down all action here fearing the set, or that he improves to a flush, but you let him attempt to improve as cheaply as possible here.
I understand the pot control line, or bluff catch line. But it isnt the route I take. Thats my honest answer whether you think its right or wrong. I dont want to be left hoping he builds the pot for me, or being forced to pay off turn and river bets, or being forced to fold if Ilet the spade fall.
its a bit much you telling me to 3bet then giving me no idea how to proceed if he calls/folds. You say I get more info, which is true to a certain extent, but how do you want me to use that info. Say his flop raising range is the following hands AQ, fds, sets, how do you think these react to a 3bet? ie what actual info does the 3bet give me?
Personally I think if I 3bet it has to be with a view to getting it in, but I doubt that is profitable against his range this deep (I at least understand the reasoning behind that line, and will explain why I doubt its profitable if you like)
know what you mean though, his river check is really weird, his small turn bet helped too:)