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Tourney spot: Over Aggro?

grantorinograntorino
edited May 2011 in The Poker Clinic
Villain seems capable, and has been 3betting me (prob bullying me a bit if Im honest) and other players a bit, often with smallish sizing like this. My image wouldnt be tight, but not over aggro either as I was seated with big stacks to my left for last 40 mins (villain on my table all this time)

This is final table, payout structure pretty flat till top 2, will post details if necessary. I'm not a tournament specialist , but is this way too aggro given stacks (I am 2nd in chips) and positions? Also do we ever expect a call with worse? Its a bounty hunter if that makes any difference
SBSmall blind  1500.00 1500.00 29784.88
BB Big blind  3000.00 4500.00 84970.96
  Your hole cards
  • 10
  • 10
     
grantorino Raise  9000.00 13500.00 106309.96
MP Fold     
CO Raise  21000.00 34500.00 107411.50
BTNFold     
SBFold     
BB Fold     
grantorino All-in  106309.96 140809.96 0.00
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  • beeasyonmebeeasyonme
    edited May 2011
    personally i like it im not a big tourney player myself but it looks to me like you deployed the trap to perfection
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  • The_Don90The_Don90
    edited May 2011
    it seems to me like your turning your hand into a bluff. As your 2nd in chips it looks like this guy is chip leader. One basic rule i have in tournaments is dont mess with the chip leader if im second without a monster. And unfortuntley to me here thats Queens or better, we're well stacked and can call to assess the flop (other may disagree) which is what i would do.

    The only thing i can see he calls you with that you beat is AK and even then its a flip and because of dynamics i think he folds that alot of the time.
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  • grantorinograntorino
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Tourney spot: Over Aggro?:
    it seems to me like your turning your hand into a bluff. As your 2nd in chips it looks like this guy is chip leader. One basic rule i have in tournaments is dont mess with the chip leader if im second without a monster. And unfortuntley to me here thats Queens or better, we're well stacked and can call to assess the flop (other may disagree) which is what i would do. The only thing i can see he calls you with that you beat is AK and even then its a flip and because of dynamics i think he folds that alot of the time.
    Posted by The_Don90
    You may be right. Tbh , its against my usual principles, but I'm happy enough to turn my hand into a bluff as a lot of his hands are close to flipping with me anyway, if he folds hands like AQ thats great. If he folds AK (maybe JJ????) is it profitable anyway, despite kinda turning a good hand into a bluff?

    While calling is maybe an option, I think  I am going to be in a tricky spot oop on most flops, and he is likely t raise my cbet? Again I'm open to opinions
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN
    edited May 2011
    I like it but i dont want to be called at best we're probably filipping, i do agree does look like your kinda turning it into a bluff to me i would probably do the same though if the villain has been over aggro, if he hadnt got out of line against you id maybe flat but dont mind the shove after all your playing for the win.

    I disagree with don about going with the chip leader, i think you can get easy chips because of alot of people wont be playing against them, just pick good spots etc but try not to get in marginal
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
    edited May 2011
    Surprised to see you opening 3xbb......

    Quite deep still......36/377xbb ish?

    Think you've caused yourself a headache by opening so big, it's not pretty much a decision for stacks with a marginal hand when you have great equity in the tournament, and no doubt a big skill edge.....

    I think we can find better spots than this. Open smaller, save youself a big blind everytime he 3 bets and you have to fold.
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  • grantorinograntorino
    edited May 2011
    yeah 3bb prob too big, but had opened to this couple of times due to bad connection and clunky software on this site so decided to keep it the same. I accept I prob should open a little smaller, doesnt change my decision much here though

    What better spot will I find? I dont think my edge is that big, at least 2 other players seem good, 30BB deep its hard have much of an edge over anyone, and Im prob not that good anyway. Also villain shouldnt be overexcited about tangling with me either.

    I'm just asking the questions, folding may be best
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN
    edited May 2011
    Depends how bad the chipleader is, if you think you have big edge on them then its not bad folding. also if you think they call with AK/AQ/AJ then worth calling/folding

    Agree with dohhhead 2.2-2.5 open late on or a nice little funky bet in between people dont have a scooby half the time. who was on the table then? just to see how solid it is or are they all randoms?

    What buy in and how many left at this point, had you already cashed? these may factor how you play it
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  • AMYBRAMYBR
    edited May 2011
    When you get played back at you play perfect poker.  You extend your chip lead with a risk free pot, or you become huge chip leader by getting called and winning.  Its jam or fold.  Agree with above comments that it is player dependant though.
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
    edited May 2011
    You should have a big edge on any BH FT on sky, I've skoped the result, and don't recognise any names, but I would be v v surprised if you weren't the best player at the table.

    (More of a reflection of how bad the others are, than how good you are)

    It's a high variance spot, theres lot's of play left......I'd rather jam the button 3 handed w/ J8s or something and have 35% equity and 3rd place money banked, than flip here and risk finishing 6th.

    I'm v confident that I will find a better spot than this, structures are good on here now I'm pretty deep for a final table, the guy is bullying me so I'm gonna find a better hand to 4b jam with sooner or later.

    I dunno I'm a br nit, I wouldn't like to make a decent final table with a big stack and bust in 6th.

    Play small ball, keep the pressure on from cut off/button/sb unopened, 2.1xbb steals, find good 3betting spots, and keep it risk free for a while. 
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  • grantorinograntorino
    edited May 2011

    Opening from LP is kinda tricky, villain (2 to my left) and guy to his left are both playing back a bit, so small ball picking up blinds is not going as smoothly as I would like. I'm not sure I'll get a better hand than TT to 3bet him with that often (I accept other factors than hand strength may play into this) Also no one is really shortstacked Im prob going to have to play a little to ladder up without going really short myself.

    Im honestly not sure what I should be doing here, def flatting doesnt appeal to me. I suspect an ICM calc would say fold

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  • pryce6pryce6
    edited May 2011
    Given you say he has been 3betting a load then I think this is a jam. esp considering it's a BH and you can get called by loads worse bcos people love to hunt!
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  • GlenelgGlenelg
    edited May 2011

    Only played a few MTT's but it looks like your going out?? He/she has gotten under your skin.  Why would you put your spot at risk?  I'm guessin he's got AA/KK ?

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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8
    edited May 2011
    Open for 7500, when reraised at this stage I can't see him bluffing much so I wouldn't like shoving. Also don't really like calling so probably a slow roll fold for me whilst screaming loudly.
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  • grantorinograntorino
    edited May 2011
    Glenelg you have to be the biggest nit eva, you suggest fold in every single thread. What spot am I putting at risk? The reason would be I think shoving is the best move to win tourney

    Im surprised no one has mentioned his 3betting my utg open might factor into my decision, cos if he does this and Im on btn, I am snapshoving
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  • grantorinograntorino
    edited May 2011

    villain tanks and calls with QTo. Grantorino is a genius, leaps up and fist pumps

    Flop comes AQQ, grantorino is drawing to running aces to split, unbeleivably turn is a blank, river is an A to add insult to injury and counterfeit my hand

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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Tourney spot: Over Aggro?:
    villain tanks and calls with QTo. Grantorino is a genius, leaps up and fist pumps Flop comes AQQ, grantorino is drawing to running aces to split, unbeleivably turn is a blank, river is an A to add insult to injury and counterfeit my hand
    Posted by grantorino
    lol!!

    Well I had the right read on the standard of the FT at least. 
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  • rancidrancid
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Tourney spot: Over Aggro?:
    villain tanks and calls with QTo. Grantorino is a genius, leaps up and fist pumps Flop comes AQQ, grantorino is drawing to running aces to split, unbeleivably turn is a blank, river is an A to add insult to injury and counterfeit my hand
    Posted by grantorino
    lol feels good to read so well and go in ahead :)
    Then you get beat :(

    Cruel game init bruv
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  • pryce6pryce6
    edited May 2011
    You got hunted sir.

    Good game.
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  • GlenelgGlenelg
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Tourney spot: Over Aggro?:
    Glenelg you have to be the biggest nit eva, you suggest fold in every single thread. What spot am I putting at risk? The reason would be I think shoving is the best move to win tourney Im surprised no one has mentioned his 3betting my utg open might factor into my decision, cos if he does this and Im on btn, I am snapshoving
    Posted by grantorino

    I think i've been mostly right on the threads I've posted on!  I'm fairly new (and you're right quite nitty!) but I read your post that you were risking a place in a big tourament with this hand? If, however, this is the final table you're prob right to shove?  Let us know how you get on.
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  • dylan12dylan12
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Tourney spot: Over Aggro?:
    Given you say he has been 3betting a load then I think this is a jam. esp considering it's a BH and you can get called by loads worse bcos people love to hunt!
    Posted by pryce6
    100% deffo this
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  • grantorinograntorino
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Tourney spot: Over Aggro?:
    In Response to Re: Tourney spot: Over Aggro? : I think i've been mostly right on the threads I've posted on!  I'm fairly new (and you're right quite nitty!) but I read your post that you were risking a place in a big tourament with this hand? If, however, this is the final table you're prob right to shove?  Let us know how you get on.
    Posted by Glenelg
    No just noticed you always seem to suggest fold, thats prob reasonable in this thread anyway. You will usually be right because more losing hands will be posted than winning ones. Also just because you are right on the result of the particular hand posted doesnt mean its the right move. Not trying to have a go at you or anything just noticed your advice always seems to be to fold
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