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Double Your Money Games

JBussJBuss
edited May 2011 in Poker Chat
As a 19 year old Student, My roll is limited, and I have only reloaded my account the other day to get
the feel for it again. I only deposited £10 but playing £1.15 DYM games have been able to take that balance
to £24.15. At what point would you advise me moving up to £2.20.

Unlike Cash Games, I feel the jump up in stakes doesnt make the game harder or the opponenets I play
any better than me, so the comfort factor should come into it.

Thanks JBuss
Jonathan
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN
    edited May 2011
    i'd say have a couple of shots and if you get below £20 again then get on the £1's rinse and repeat. imo you need to jump up the levels in DYM as quick as possible till you get to £3.30 because then you will only be charged 10% rake as oppoesed to 15% and it makes a big difference.

    Your defo good enough for the above level, when i played you sunday or firday i forget you have a good game just be strict about dropping down if you go below £20, only gives you 2 games leeway but if you win and keep it up then dont look back

    GL mate
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  • SHANXTASHANXTA
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Double Your Money Games:
    i'd say have a couple of shots and if you get below £20 again then get on the £1's rinse and repeat. imo you need to jump up the levels in DYM as quick as possible till you get to £3.30 because then you will only be charged 10% rake as oppoesed to 15% and it makes a big difference. Your defo good enough for the above level, when i played you sunday or firday i forget you have a good game just be strict about dropping down if you go below £20, only gives you 2 games leeway but if you win and keep it up then dont look back GL mate
    Posted by YOUNG_GUN
    ^^^^^^^ this is fine

    i mite even let myself drop dwn to £15 b4 u consider going back to £1 dyms

    get off 2 a gd start n u'll be fine.  then off to the £3 dyms when u get £30-£40

    i'll be seein u soon ;-)
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  • JBussJBuss
    edited May 2011
    Thanks for the advice and compliment John.

    Thanks to you also

    Jonathan.

    Il let you know how I get on in a few days
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  • The_Don90The_Don90
    edited May 2011
    i think YG has a brilliant point here. im currently on £33 BR but only play one or two dyms a day (except friday and satuurday nights i have a few going) and getting to £3.30 is important. As im only usually water testing my game i play £1.15 but thats because im water testing before a grind. If i dont play well ive only lost £1, which if i pick up my leaks quickly can be regained in about 20 mins on a NL4 table.
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  • salad24salad24
    edited May 2011
    Mix it up. I was where you are a few months ago, i found playing the odd larger double up in amoungt the lower ones was good. But yeah, aim for the £3!
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  • AMYBRAMYBR
    edited May 2011
    With utter sincerity I think if you've grinded a profit at £1 dym's, you will do far better at the £2 dyms.

    The reason I say this is my housemate plays around 8 an hour at £3 dym's doing ok, but loses at the £1 because the standard is so horrific.

    You must be hitting a good rate to cash, but I bet the times you didnt it was down to villains horrendous play.  Move up, your thinking will be more in alignment with the table, instead of the limp, call raise fest I have seen.

    Ultimately everyones game is the same in dym, your not looking to win, just not to lose.  But alot of people dont even think that far at £1
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  • GlenelgGlenelg
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Double Your Money Games:
    With utter sincerity I think if you've grinded a profit at £1 dym's, you will do far better at the £2 dyms.

    Only been on the site for a couple of months and play DYM's couple nights a week. Started grinding 30p/60p's for a week or two. Decided to try 1.15/2.20 done OK. Broke even/up a few quid.  (each game takes circa 30 mins!)
    One night had a few beers and thought I'd dip my toe in the £11 DYM water.  GULP!  Only played one game, didn't win a hand, didn't have to - came 3rd, over in 2 x mins! Players all-in every hand! LOL. Was shocked, and I have to say slightly dissapointed in not getting more games for my money!

    I'd say if your game is strong at 2.20/3.30, try the odd one at a higher buy-in. Like me you may be lucky!

    P
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  • AMYBRAMYBR
    edited May 2011
    Conversely I think you need to be lucky to beat the insane play at the super low end.  They arent looking to play well, just hit and running
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Double Your Money Games:
    Conversely I think you need to be lucky to beat the insane play at the super low end.  They arent looking to play well, just hit and running
    Posted by AMYBR
    No you dont, again this is a mis-conception like nl4, if you cant beat the lower stakes how are you going to beat higher? Ok i'll give you that the variance will be higher but i gurantee someone like myself who can play DYM will be able to get a better win rate at 30p-55p you just have to fold away its easy.

    the reason you want to move up is because of the rake, sometimes it can help if you have someone who knows how to play them eg. call and shove ranges but i'll prefer 5 donkeys on my table anyday
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  • AMYBRAMYBR
    edited May 2011
    DYM challenge then :), I'll play 10 £1's Then play 10 £5's, you do the same.

    I guarentee the £5's will be easier to cash in.

    I dont really think it is a mis conception bud.  In a way its harder than the nl4, as one significant mistake, your chance to cash is in jeaporday.  NL4 & micro stakes you are pretty much playing with the cards in the air multi way, which is always going to be a very swingy game.
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
    edited May 2011

    Lol, I love this debate, it's great everytime it comes up.....

    I don't think theres THAT much difference, but I would still fancy whoever plays the £1 games to win. 

    If you're working it out as R.O.I I'm not sure though as theres 50% more rake.

    1/2 solid players in a dym is never a bad thing imo! But I get slated for that.............

    You should both get 10/10 at your respective levels anyway !!!!!!!!!!!!
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN
    edited May 2011
    lol Amybr i dont mind can do friday night, but its not a big sample size really and wont exactly finalise it

    i generally play £5.50 ones which of recent i have been winning like 5/5 or 6/8, so although i do find them easy im just stating it will be easier to cash in the lower one. Although i do think variance is higher lower because half of them dont have a clue, Dohhh has it spot on(for a change ;)) its good to have 1 or 2 good players in them but obviously you would rather 5 bad players then good

    Anyway i am up for the challenge friday or sunday, like i say the sample is small so i could win all my fiver ones and only win 5/10 at £1 just the way it goes but still be good to have a small challenge, especially if we are on the same tables could be good for a bit of banter. How many tables will you be playing? i can play up to 4 really without it affecting me but if your doing 2 then i will too :P
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  • TWRAMYEPTWRAMYEP
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Double Your Money Games:
    As a 19 year old Student, My roll is limited, and I have only reloaded my account the other day to get the feel for it again. I only deposited £10 but playing £1.15 DYM games have been able to take that balance to £24.15. At what point would you advise me moving up to £2.20. Unlike Cash Games, I feel the jump up in stakes doesnt make the game harder or the opponenets I play any better than me, so the comfort factor should come into it. Thanks JBuss Jonathan
    Posted by JBuss
    Get up to the 10% rake games as quick as possible even if that means playing out of your bankroll, 5% extra rake is very significant in any STT format and i doubt playing the £1.15 lower buyin over the £3.30 will compensate enougth your overall ROI.
    Altho Ive never played the £1 games so cant say how the games are but if you can beat the £1 games the £3 games should be Ok for you and your winrate should increase, even when your roi decreases, obvoiusly.
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  • AMYBRAMYBR
    edited May 2011
    I tend to get chronic headaches playing to many DYM's, I think its all that constant bubble tension, so 20 is plenty :p

    My opinion on this just comes from watching my house mate (iluvto -beadonkey-h8pker).  The standard action @ £3 and above seems pretty standard, but at the £1's is pure limp alooza!  Also whats with all the pre flop 3 and 4 min betting with limps in the pot?  Also the 1 BB bet through streets into 20xB pots??

    It would drive me bonkers.

    YG.  Am out at live MTT's up until Monday, but will plug away a few a day then put up the result :)
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  • CrunchybobCrunchybob
    edited May 2011
    Hey guys just been reading the thread, i mainly play dyms atm, and personally i must admit that if your right kind of player(aggressive) and can sense weakness then the 5.50 are easier to cash in. mainly because ppl play tighter, fold alot of hands just hoping to cash. at 1.15 ppl are more willing to call your all in, or raise as losing £1 is not so bad. but in retrospect if you get unlucky and bust your in the same boat. i would just play with what your comfortable at. if you can afford to lose £1 or £2 stick at those stakes as the worst thing to do is go for £5.50 lose and then go for £11 trying to win it back whilst tilted. hope this helps
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  • AMYBRAMYBR
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Double Your Money Games:
    Hey guys just been reading the thread, i mainly play dyms atm, and personally i must admit that if your right kind of player(aggressive) and can sense weakness then the 5.50 are easier to cash in. mainly because ppl play tighter, fold alot of hands just hoping to cash. at 1.15 ppl are more willing to call your all in, or raise as losing £1 is not so bad. but in retrospect if you get unlucky and bust your in the same boat. i would just play with what your comfortable at. if you can afford to lose £1 or £2 stick at those stakes as the worst thing to do is go for £5.50 lose and then go for £11 trying to win it back whilst tilted. hope this helps
    Posted by Crunchybob
    Couldnt agree with this more.
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN
    edited May 2011
    Fairplay Amybr you play yours in your own time and post on here and i will do the same. Will you be playing 1,2-4 tables? let me know see how we both compare. im not claiming im a DYM specialists just that i can beat the games(famous last words), also do you plsy poker for a living? if not what do you do
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Double Your Money Games:
    In Response to Re: Double Your Money Games : Couldnt agree with this more.
    Posted by AMYBR
    You will find its not easier, ok maybe it will suit your style but the standard is so bad in the lower ones that you can 50% of time probably fold your way to cash, difference the higher you go up people are more aware of shove & call ranges and not to limp. Which in theory can help you because you know exactly what their doing but i still feel the lower ones are easier and any semi competent player bar variance should be able to get 75% win rate playing them regularly which beats the rake.

    My aim for £1.15 ones will be to cash 8/10, allow 2 for variance but obviously depends on the day. for a £5.50 one i'd be happy with 7/10 but give or take could easily give or take a couple
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  • AMYBRAMYBR
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Double Your Money Games:
    In Response to Re: Double Your Money Games : You will find its not easier, ok maybe it will suit your style but the standard is so bad in the lower ones that you can 50% of time probably fold your way to cash, difference the higher you go up people are more aware of shove & call ranges and not to limp. Which in theory can help you because you know exactly what their doing but i still feel the lower ones are easier and any semi competent player bar variance should be able to get 75% win rate playing them regularly which beats the rake. My aim for £1.15 ones will be to cash 8/10, allow 2 for variance but obviously depends on the day. for a £5.50 one i'd be happy with 7/10 but give or take could easily give or take a couple
    Posted by YOUNG_GUN
    Yeah this is probably closest to the truth.  The way the action plays frustrates and forces mistakes, makes opponents very unpredictable and harder to manipulate.

    Yeah played Full time semi pro for about 32 months now, Live.  Ran up a good BR online but burnt it like a crazy person 24 months ago, have not had the patience (and skill) to make another run at it.  As most of you have said I'm in love with the pscological aspect of the game, my goals arent EV+ dominated, fully tuned to the thrill of the live game.  Just play like an idiot online these days, beginning to see it more and more thanks to the clinic.
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  • CrunchybobCrunchybob
    edited May 2011
    Just played 2x £2.25 dyms at the same time, must say found them quite difficult, didn't really get any good hands, but when you get someone who does this it helps. btw i cashed in both :P
    BOBALEXIE Small blind   100.00 100.00 2170.00
    kellywelly84 Big blind   200.00 300.00 1795.00
      Your hole cards
    • K
    • 3
    		     
    Crunchybob All-in   575.00 875.00 0.00
    guvfather Fold        
    emstew Fold        
    BOBALEXIE Fold        
    kellywelly84 Call   375.00 1250.00 1420.00
    kellywelly84 Show
    • 2
    • 5
    		     
    Crunchybob Show
    • K
    • 3
    		     
    Flop
       
    • 8
    • A
    • 7
    		     
    Turn
       
    • 3
    		     
    River
       
    • K
    		     
    Crunchybob Win Two Pairs, Kings and 3s 1250.00   1250.00
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