MASTERCASH 300 21/05/11 - DID ANYONE ELSE SEE THIS?

thebroker · May 2011

Hi all, this relates to mastercash TV shown live on saturday 21st May did anyone notice the following hands that took place in succession??? and if so whats there thoughts on how it happened

About 2hr 5 mins into the show they started to show the Mastercash table 17 (£1.50 / £3.00)
1st hand they covered was this (all with regualr players including 2 members of TSP)

AJS4385          QS AH   1038.76
LOLUFOLD        7D 4C    1601.01
BURNANATOR    AC 8H    177.98 (Dealer)
OMC                JD 10D   1074.60
BOMBDOG        6H 10S   782.70
PEG1               8D 3D     633.07

Cards on the board where 4S 3S 7D 10H

The hand involved LOLUFOLD & OMC and resutled in OMC folding on the turn to a raise by LOLUFOLD

Now for the really intresting bit - DID ANYONE NOTICE THE HAND SHOWN DIRECTLY AFTER?????
Same table same players

AJS4385           QS AH   1038.76
LOLUFOLD        7D 4C    1601.01
BURNANTOR      AC 8H   177.98 (Dealer)
OMC                JD 10D   1074.60
BOMBDOG        6H 10S   782.70
PEG1               8D  3D    633.07

ALL THE PLAYERS ARE SOMEHOW HOLDING THE EXACT SAME HOLD CARDS HAS THE HAND SHOWN BEFORE - NOT ONLY THAT THEY ALL HAVE THE EXACT SAME AMOUNT OF CASH ON THE TABLE!!! (WHERE DID LOLUFOLDS WINNINGS GO FROM OMC???)

The next strange thing is that this time round AJS4385 raises preflop (LOLUFOLD who won the previous time FOLDS preflop and is not involved in the hand at all!!)

This hand involves AJS4385 & OMC and resulted in AJS4385 folding on the river to a raise by OMC
after a COMPLETLY different board

2S QD JH 2D JS

If you have not seen this played out or did not notice it when watching mastercash i would urge you to watch one of mastercash's repeats over the next few days (remember its about 2hrs 5mins into the program and both hands are back to back)

I PERSONNALLY CAN NOT THINK OF ONE PLAUSABLE EXPLAINATION FOR THIS AND WONDERED WHAT THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY THOUGHTS ON IT WHERE - AND PARTICULARY COMMENTS FROM ANYONE RAILING THIS IN REALTIME OR FROM ONE OF THE SIX PLAYERS SAT AT THE TABLE

As this has got to be by far the STRANGEST thing i have ever seen in poker and especially with it being covered on LIVE TV!!!!

*Edited - title length reduced just so we could get it on 1 or 2 lines on the forum boards -- Sky Dave

billyboots · May 2011

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Also did you notice that lolufold is holding 7d and the flop also has 7d.........well spotted btw .

AcidMan27 · May 2011

My money is on it being a glitch with the software used to show the hands.

RiverDoh · May 2011

Aye, the old glitch trick works every time.

Nothing to see here, move along.

TINTIN · May 2011

well spotted for the error in the graphics, but do u really think its anything more? and why the need for 2 threads

billyboots · May 2011

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My money is on it being a glitch with the software used to show the hands.
Posted by AcidMan27

I can see them all queueing up in Area51 right this minute

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ACEGOONER · May 2011

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Hi all, this relates to mastercash TV shown live on saturday 21st May did anyone notice the following hands that took place in succession??? and if so whats there thoughts on how it happened About 2hr 5 mins into the show they started to show the Mastercash table 17 (£1.50 / £3.00) 1st hand they covered was this (all with regualr players including 2 members of TSP) AJS4385 QS AH 1038.76 LOLUFOLD 7D 4C 1601.01 BURNANATOR AC 8H 177.98 (Dealer) OMC JD 10D 1074.60 BOMBDOG 6H 10S 782.70 PEG1 8D 3D 633.07 Cards on the board where 4S 3S 7D 10H The hand involved LOLUFOLD & OMC and resutled in OMC folding on the turn to a raise by LOLUFOLD Now for the really intresting bit - DID ANYONE NOTICE THE HAND SHOWN DIRECTLY AFTER????? Same table same players AJS4385 QS AH 1038.76 LOLUFOLD 7D 4C 1601.01 BURNANTOR AC 8H 177.98 (Dealer) OMC JD 10D 1074.60 BOMBDOG 6H 10S 782.70 PEG1 8D 3D 633.07 ALL THE PLAYERS ARE SOMEHOW HOLDING THE EXACT SAME HOLD CARDS HAS THE HAND SHOWN BEFORE - NOT ONLY THAT THEY ALL HAVE THE EXACT SAME AMOUNT OF CASH ON THE TABLE!!! (WHERE DID LOLUFOLDS WINNINGS GO FROM OMC???) The next strange thing is that this time round AJS4385 raises preflop (LOLUFOLD who won the previous time FOLDS preflop and is not involved in the hand at all!!) This hand involves AJS4385 & OMC and resulted in AJS4385 folding on the river to a raise by OMC after a COMPLETLY different board 2S QD JH 2D JS If you have not seen this played out or did not notice it when watching mastercash i would urge you to watch one of mastercash's repeats over the next few days (remember its about 2hrs 5mins into the program and both hands are back to back) I PERSONNALLY CAN NOT THINK OF ONE PLAUSABLE EXPLAINATION FOR THIS AND WONDERED WHAT THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY THOUGHTS ON IT WHERE - AND PARTICULARY COMMENTS FROM ANYONE RAILING THIS IN REALTIME OR FROM ONE OF THE SIX PLAYERS SAT AT THE TABLE As this has got to be by far the STRANGEST thing i have ever seen in poker and especially with it being covered on LIVE TV!!!!
Posted by thebroker

I think its more a case of mistakes on live tv rather than any conspiracy theory. You do get gremlins in the sky computers you know.

billyboots · May 2011

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well spotted for the error in the graphics, but do u really think its anything more? and why the need for 2 threads
Posted by TINTIN

Where's the other thread ?

Machka · May 2011

Can't say I was watching closely enough to notice this. But if it did happen then I suspect the problem occurred in how the tables and hands are generated for the TV.

As I understand it a certain amount of manual intervention is required to get from an actual hand played to having the hand played back on TV. Possibly someone made a human error. Pesky humans.

donkeyplop · May 2011

Sometimes they show the same hand 2 in a row by mistake.

The hands were prob loaded up wrong.

TINTIN · May 2011

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In Response to Re: MASTERCASH 300 21/05/11 - DID ANYONE ELSE SEE WHAT MUST HAVE BEEN 2 RIGGED HANDS OR CAN THEY EXPLAIN HOW IT HAPPENED??? : Where's the other thread ?
Posted by billyboots

its been deleted now, had the same op but the headline had was different

Sky_Dave · May 2011

Hi all,

Without having watched the show, it's hard to say exactly what happened but I suspect it was a software glitch. The cards being dealt to exactly the same would have been very unlikely, but the button being in the same seat might be even less likely!

More seriously we'll see if someone from the studio side of things can come and give you a rough idea of what happened.

Cheers,
Dave

billyboots · May 2011

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I'm neither in or out when people post in area51........i'm of the opinion that this community has the opportunity offered by this poker room for some really interesting, intelligent and sometimes whacky debates and I for one enjoy reading all these different pov's............I really only posted on here bcoz I happened to notice the error but not for one minute do i subscribe that anything untoward is going on.

DOHHHHHHH · May 2011

I DID !!

I wondered why OMC floated the 7 high flop with TJ...no pair, no draw.....turned a 10 for top pair...then folded to lols turn bet.....

That explains it!! He didn't actually have TJ as was shown on screen! He couldn't have....

I did notice AJS also folded AQ pre flop to an OMC min raise utg.

Again, surely this wouldn't really have happened? he didn't have AQ?

drumahai05 · May 2011

if it was a software glitch the preflop betting would have been the same it was not we need a answer

Machka · May 2011

I think it's Trevor's fault as he must have mixed up the cards when he dropped the clicker on the floor.

Machka · May 2011

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if it was a software glitch the preflop betting would have been the same it was not we need a answer
Posted by drumahai05

Not if you saw the betting from one hand and the cards from the previous hand.

DOHHHHHHH · May 2011

The cards were showing the same both times, but the betting different.

Would AJs fold AQ in position pre flop to a min raise from the weakest player at the table?

Would OMC call with TJ on a 7 high flop, then fold when a 10 came on the turn?

The betting was correct but the hole cards we could see weren't the cards that the players were actually playing.

billyboots · May 2011

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I think it's Trevor's fault as he must have mixed up the cards when he dropped the clicker on the floor.
Posted by Machka

Can't we just blame Orford.....he's been getting off light lately...........:)-

TINTIN · May 2011

theres was also a point in the show where during a hand the cards disappeared for a second, the software that runs the hands on tv was obviously playing up as it has done in the past. some people really do believe everything they see on tv.

ajs4385 · May 2011

I saw a bit of the show last night and noticed it showed me fold AQ in a spot I would never fold, I didnt time out so I think there is something funny going on somewhere. I dont believe its to do with the actual site but more likely the tv end. As I didnt notice anything strange at the tables.

Let me just say that I have easily played more than a million hands on Sky and I have never had any concerns about the integrity of the RNG. I play the highest 6 max games going and I would not do this if I had even the slightest concern about the site.

However, I think Sky should have a look into what happened just to put peoples mind at rest.

Sky_Dave · May 2011

Nicely put AJS. I've asked someone from the studio to come on and explain what happened to the console, although there's another live show for them to contend with tonight so it might be a case of a reply in the morning.

AMYBR · May 2011

You'd think someone would have gone on record tp provide an answer by now.

I think in all likelyhood it was a glitch, but how much effort does it take to have an official comment on it? Booooo

AcidMan27 · May 2011

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if it was a software glitch the preflop betting would have been the same it was not we need a answer
Posted by drumahai05

I think you're missing the point.

It was probably a glitch with showing the wrong cards from the previous hand along with positions and stack sizes but the betting was from the next hand that was being shown.

DOHHHHHHH · May 2011

If the stack sizes were different both times it would be alot more worrying.

It's impossible for stacks to be identical 2 hands in a row.

I suppose it will have happened somewhere, sometime that 6 players get dealt identical hands 2 hands in a row though...............................

SUPERNOVA · May 2011

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You'd think someone would have gone on record tp provide an answer by now. I think in all likelyhood it was a glitch, but how much effort does it take to have an official comment on it? Booooo
Posted by AMYBR

It's the weekend - simples.....even Sky have them you know!

There were definitely a few glitches at the TV end last night, I Sky+'d it and watched it this morning and half way through a hand all the cards turned to dominoes, it was commented on in the studio at the time too. I can't see a problem.

Sky_Mandy · May 2011

Hi all,

Regarding the issue on the show last night:

There was a glitch with the software used to draw the information from the consoles and animate the hands.

The hand you saw on screen was a combination of information from two hands - the hole cards were from the hand which was due to be shown, but the flop was from the hand which had been selected prior to this one.

When the hand was animated again, it had the correct hole cards and correct flop.

I always have the table we are showing on TV open, and there was nothing amiss on the actual site, and I can assure you there is no problem with the site at all, but merely a gremlin in the system which animates the hands in the studio.

Rest assured this will now be looked into by our technical people.

Many thanks.

dylan12 · May 2011

Wonderwoman to the rescue

salad24 · May 2011

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If the stack sizes were different both times it would be alot more worrying. It's impossible for stacks to be identical 2 hands in a row. I suppose it will have happened somewhere, sometime that 6 players get dealt identical hands 2 hands in a row though...............................
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

i make it 1 in 394000000000000000000000 if the cards are dealt in the same order to the same players on a 6 handed table (what happened last night) so yeah, must have happened at some point somewhere!

Sky_Poker · May 2011

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Hi all, Regarding the issue on the show last night: There was a glitch with the software used to draw the information from the consoles and animate the hands. The hand you saw on screen was a combination of information from two hands - the hole cards were from the hand which was due to be shown, but the flop was from the hand which had been selected prior to this one. When the hand was animated again, it had the correct hole cards and correct flop. I always have the table we are showing on TV open, and there was nothing amiss on the actual site, and I can assure you there is no problem with the site at all, but merely a gremlin in the system which animates the hands in the studio. Rest assured this will now be looked into by our technical people. Many thanks.
Posted by Sky_Mandy

Just to add to Sky_Mandy's post (which explains what happened) the system which replays the hands on TV is not the same as the sytem that plays the cards onsite. It gets the hand loaded into it just so that we can show them on TV after the hand is over.

Rest assured that the blip was the TV system. It doesn't affect skypoker.com.

Thanks
Sky Poker Team

MASTERCASH 300 21/05/11 - DID ANYONE ELSE SEE THIS?

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