Do you have to call here with what he shoves with, even if you think hes got there on river?

donkeyplop

Also my bet sizing here.

Are they ok or would you of just shoved turn???

Also my check call on river, should I of just shoved 1st?

Cheers.

Was vs a random so no good reads, except he had been running good.

Hand History #374416540 (21:45 22/05/2011)

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
dlj86	Small blind		£0.10	£0.10	£21.20
FORDYCE	Big blind		£0.20	£0.30	£34.65
	Your hole cards	A A
ianatter23	Call		£0.20	£0.50	£70.16
donkeyplop	Raise		£0.80	£1.30	£18.60
falconsno7	Call		£0.80	£2.10	£17.48
dlj86	Fold
FORDYCE	Fold
ianatter23	Call		£0.60	£2.70	£69.56
Flop
		9 2 7
ianatter23	Check
donkeyplop	Bet		£2.70	£5.40	£15.90
falconsno7	Call		£2.70	£8.10	£14.78
ianatter23	Fold
Turn
		2
donkeyplop	Bet		£6.08	£14.18	£9.82
falconsno7	Call		£6.08	£20.26	£8.70
River
		5
donkeyplop	Check
falconsno7	All-in		£8.70	£28.96	£0.00
donkeyplop	Call		£8.70	£37.66	£1.12

AMYBR

Had to take my post down as didnt see bet sizes properly

You go for massive value on flop and turn.  You must have knew he'd spew call?

If he makes clubs on river its VU and just an awful call at the turn.  He has 10cJc?

Glenelg

In Response to Re: Do you have to call here with what he shoves with, even if you think hes got there on river?:

Had to take my post down as didnt see bet sizes properly You go for massive value on flop and turn.  You must have knew he'd spew call? If he makes clubs on river its VU and just an awful call at the turn.  He has 10cJc?
Posted by AMYBR

From his bet sizing I guess he's hit a set on turn and quads on river?  Amybr's not often wrong tho!

tapeworm

I think you have to call......sigh.....make a note......put him all in on the turn next time you meet. You have invested so much in the pot by this point - he had a flush I take it?

DOHHHHHHH

The turn is the best card for you, the river, probably the worst. 

Was gonna say bet abit bigger on the turn but it really is such a good card that your size is probably fine.

If your read is that he's been "running good" you must have seen him show some hands down. So you should get HH up and see how he played each street.

How did he run good? what happened? calling 2 streets with bottom pair and making trips on the river? Open shoving his straight draw on the flop and getting there?

You must have some info on how he plays to be able to conclude that he runs good........................

unknown_username

I dont see any probs with the hand whatsoever. Well played!

Looks like you are a tad unlucky at the end when he (likely) turns over two clubs. I dont think it is a definite call at the end either but i think most would call. I think i would have to but i can be quite spewy at times. You have played this well in my opinion with your betsizing and everything. Over time its a winning play.

LOL_RAISE

shove or c/f river depending on villain i think vs unknown i probably shove

DOHHHHHHH

In Response to Re: Do you have to call here with what he shoves with, even if you think hes got there on river?:

shove or c/f river depending on villain i think vs unknown i probably shove
Posted by LOL_RAISE

What would you need to have seen from the villain to make this a check/fold rather than a shove?

Why would you never c/c? If you have seen him bluff his missed draws isn;t there an argument for doing so?

grantorino

bet sizing is fine

shove ,c/c bad imo most draws got there, we dont know he bluffs them ever, he can only bluff less than half pot and he checks most of what we beat

donkeyplop

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In Response to Re: Do you have to call here with what he shoves with, even if you think hes got there on river? : What would you need to have seen from the villain to make this a check/fold rather than a shove? Why would you never c/c? If you have seen him bluff his missed draws isn;t there an argument for doing so?
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

This is why I check called.

First I may of got to see river free, then I could call any bluffs. (is this not ideal?)

Also  the guy had built his stack b4 I sat down and this was prob about 10th hand I had played.

Dudeskin8

Looks ok to me, and like others have said just make a note on what you see.

LOL_RAISE

In Response to Re: Do you have to call here with what he shoves with, even if you think hes got there on river?:

In Response to Re: Do you have to call here with what he shoves with, even if you think hes got there on river? : What would you need to have seen from the villain to make this a check/fold rather than a shove? Why would you never c/c? If you have seen him bluff his missed draws isn;t there an argument for doing so?
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

the only missed draw is T8, 68 & clubs both get there so even if he doe s bluff missed draws he will have completed the draw alot more often.

if i think the villain folds 9x then i would c/f