NL8, What to do when facing 4bet preflop

Patching99

Patching99	Small blind		£0.04	£0.04	£9.31
JINTY	Big blind		£0.08	£0.12	£7.22
	Your hole cards	A K
foxy228	Fold
TRAG	Call		£0.08	£0.20	£7.73
x	Raise		£0.24	£0.44	£7.16
Patching99	Raise		£0.68	£1.12	£8.63
JINTY	Fold
TRAG	Fold
x	Raise		£1.36	£2.48	£5.80
Patching99	Call		£0.88	£3.36	£7.75
Flop
		10 9 6
Patching99	Check
x	Bet		£2.08	£5.44	£3.72
Patching99	All-in		£7.75	£13.19	£0.00

Hand above, oppo seems okay, defo better than standard NL8 player.  My question here is preflop, once I get 4bet preflop I'm as certain as I can be that I'm up against AA or KK.  If I am right with this, is calling his 4bet a bad move.  The flop is pretty much the best I can hope for but most of the times it is not going to happen and I'm gonna end up folding or hitting and still being in a world of pain.

silentbob

If you're certain that you're up against AA/KK then I'm folding pre here.

By calling you're basically gambling that you're gonna hit a miracle flop which most of the time you won't.

What makes you so certain you're up against AA/KK btw?

Patching99

In Response to Re: NL8, What to do when facing 4bet preflop:

If you're certain that you're up against AA/KK then I'm folding pre here. By calling you're basically gambling that you're gonna hit a miracle flop which most of the time you won't. What makes you so certain you're up against AA/KK btw?
Posted by silentbob

I had seen him 3bet pf before with strong hands but not 4bet before and was sure he wasn't doing it light.  I know it is possible he could have a lot wider range but sometimes you just know...(or are confident at the time anyway).  His bet also looked like he was asking for me to go back over the top.

unknown_username

Might be a bit cautious but i probably flat pre flop OOP even with AK suited.

Did you have a plan prior to the flop coming after calling pre?

Patching99

In Response to Re: NL8, What to do when facing 4bet preflop:

Might be a bit cautious but i probably flat pre flop OOP even with AK suited. Did you have a plan prior to the flop coming after calling pre?
Posted by DrSharp

not sure about flatting as could end up 4 or 5 way and i'm 3betting for value.  No plan for the flop, just don't like the idea of 3bet folding.  Against most players at this level or readless im getting this in pre.

The_Don90

Post flop you gta stack.

offshoot

you cant call the 4bet. I would shove unless i had decent reads.

Dudeskin8

Tricky spot preflop and tbh since starting back at NL4 I've been lucky and not had any spots like this but if I did I'd probably chicken out and flat like you have.

Also your reraise after his initial raise could be bigger up around 80p+ for me.

grantorino

Decide what you are doing to a 4bet before you 3bet. 3bet bigger. Never flat the 4bet, shove or fold, I shove readless. If you are sure he has KK+ then fold obv.

Personally I wouldnt 3bet in the first place if Im folding to a 4bet but maybe its ok at 4NL

Patching99

Cheers all.  Thought I made the wrong move once I did it.  Basically need to 3bet bigger and dont flat the 4bet.

DOHHHHHHH

Did he have AA/KK then? and did u get there?

Patching99

Easy game!!!

Patching99	Small blind		£0.04	£0.04	£9.31
JINTY	Big blind		£0.08	£0.12	£7.22
	Your hole cards	A K
foxy228	Fold
TRAG	Call		£0.08	£0.20	£7.73
x	Raise		£0.24	£0.44	£7.16
Patching99	Raise		£0.68	£1.12	£8.63
JINTY	Fold
TRAG	Fold
x	Raise		£1.36	£2.48	£5.80
Patching99	Call		£0.88	£3.36	£7.75
Flop
		10 9 6
Patching99	Check
x	Bet		£2.08	£5.44	£3.72
Patching99	All-in		£7.75	£13.19	£0.00
x	All-in		£3.72	£16.91	£0.00
Patching99	Unmatched bet		£1.95	£14.96	£1.95
Patching99	Show	A K
x	Show	A A
Turn
		7
River
		8
Patching99	Win	Flush to the Ace	£13.83		£15.78

Dudeskin8

Remember this hand when yours get cracked 20 times lol !