Wednesday Survivor Near Bubble Math Spot

TommyD

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
BOSS	Small blind		400.00	400.00	745.00
TommyD	Big blind		800.00	1200.00	4875.00
	Your hole cards	2 7
NoFinAce	Fold
Rohn180	Fold
oldenglish	Fold
eon1961	Fold
BOSS	All-in		745.00	1945.00	0.00
TommyD	???

TommyD

We're near the bubble, I'm pretty comfortable (about 8th of 73, 68 seats)

Quite simple, do you call or fold and why?

DOHHHHHHH

I'd have logged out and turned the computer off ! lol.

It doesn't really matter? Do u like the guy? Is he gonna be easy to play if you draw him in the nxt round? Is he good and u want rid of him?

I honestly would consider all the above before any sort of maths!

TommyD

In Response to Re: Wednesday Survivor Near Bubble Math Spot:

I'd have logged out and turned the computer off ! lol. It doesn't really matter? Do u like the guy? Is he gonna be easy to play if you draw him in the nxt round? Is he good and u want rid of him? I honestly would consider all the above before any sort of maths!
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

Dangerous to sit out in this one mate.  Too many tables had 6 time out folders and those blinds could creep up on you if you're not time out folding (I don't).  No opinion on the player TBH.  I just like the puzzle of the implied odds of cutting the gap to the bubble by a fifth versus the cost of calling with 72 off for a small blind when I have a BB committed.  It's at least a little mathy isn't it?

DOHHHHHHH

I've seen him playing 200nl+ so wud prob call and try and get rid of him.

At almost exactly the same time, I was faced with this spot on the button........

I was probably about 50/70 with 68 seats.....this is an ez fold?

He wud hav 4 flushd me 100% !

^^Not showing my stack I had about 2.4k

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
elldixon18	Small blind		500.00	500.00	3557.50
carnash	Big blind		1000.00	1500.00	1595.00
	Your hole cards	K K
bladeboy07	Fold
tonyglfc	Fold
watpb75	Fold
DOHHHHHHH	Fold
elldixon18	All-in		3557.50	5057.50	0.00
carnash	Fold
elldixon18	Show	K K
elldixon18	Win		2000.00		2000.00
elldixon18	Return		3057.50	0.00	5057.50

percival09

fold or call is fine on your hand tommy, i'd probz fold though, no need to get involved despite the v.good odds.

Dohhhh - yeah he would have deffo 4 flushed you, it's these rigged sites

elldixon18

Interesting how the chat box comes into play in these tournaments Dohhh

AMYBR

For me these spots stop being about math.  More to to with my shove equity in all following  hands.  I likely fold on this basis, looking to recoup the 800 in short order. 

YOUNG_GUN

Insta call lol not even a debate regardless whether you like him or not

JJ i cant believe you folded that, fair play but i dont fold kings pre even in a DYM format, i can understand why obvioulsy you wanted to fold your way to the next round and not get involved or outdrawn

YOUNG_GUN

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For me these spots stop being about math.  More to to with my shove equity in all following  hands.  I likely fold on this basis, looking to recoup the 800 in short order. 
Posted by AMYBR

Why would you fold?? we are on the big blind which is 800 and the shover has 745 am i missing somthing here?

DOHHHHHHH

The shove is 745 on top of the 400 he already has in the small blind, making it 1,145 total and we have 800 invested. 

Shoving KK in my spot wud be mental with 8/9 people under 1xbb. I think the game ended the v nxt hand.

YOUNG_GUN

oh so 345 extra sorry hand history is poor!

Still ez call really any 2 wont affect your chances at all by calling

AMYBR

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In Response to Re: Wednesday Survivor Near Bubble Math Spot : Why would you fold?? we are on the big blind which is 800 and the shover has 745 am i missing somthing here?
Posted by YOUNG_GUN

Also thought it was 745 to call.  If 345 no brainer.  Is wednesday Suv a satellit?  Never played it.  If sat its snap call. If reg T I fold as if it were to be 745 to call, player is so short themselves that losing the equity in that hand looses much of shoving power when finding a "real hand".  3.5x bigs for opponent to call in future hands.

But if sat snap call regardless.

YOUNG_GUN

Survivor is a glorified MTT Dym effectively when they get to half the field they progress to the next day

Although you can now buy in for the next day but the cost doubles each day, £1 start, then £2 , £4 entries and so on..

AMYBR

Hm sounds interesting.  So the money just rolls into the next day?

Do you get to choose to opt out of next round, pocketing the effective dym cash?  Or does it work like a steps?  reaping a big reward at the end if you SURVIVE?

grantorino

why in gods name would you not snap this

you are getting great odds, and risking less than 0.5BB

YOUNG_GUN

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TommyD

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Posted by YOUNG_GUN

Wasn't meant to be a level YG, just a misjudgement from me.  Thought it was more interesting than everyone else.  FWIW JJ was dead right to fold those Kings on the bubble with the short stacks in play.

YOUNG_GUN

In Response to Re: Wednesday Survivor Near Bubble Math Spot:

In Response to Re: Wednesday Survivor Near Bubble Math Spot : Wasn't meant to be a level YG, just a misjudgement from me.  Thought it was more interesting than everyone else.  FWIW JJ was dead right to fold those Kings on the bubble with the short stacks in play.
Posted by TommyD

Yeah i know he probably was just messing really, i heard you called with 27 and 4 flushed it? nh sir

jakally

Call... obv.

Only becomes interesting if it starts to have any material impact on your stack (i.e. if you lose FE as a result, or if you drop into the bottom few stacks).