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Dealing at live events

GlenelgGlenelg
edited May 2011 in Poker Chat
Hi,

Never played at a live event but when watching the dealers on TV recently i noticed when dealing the flop, turn & river they sometime/always take 1/2/3 cards of the top and put them to one side prior to dealing the actual flop etc.  Were my eyes decieving me?  Is this normal practice? Think it was Aussie millions if this helps?
Apologies if this has been asked before/dumb Q  but am really curious.

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  • pomfrittespomfrittes
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Dealing at live events:
    Hi, Never played at a live event but when watching the dealers on TV recently i noticed when dealing the flop, turn & river they sometime/always take 1/2/3 cards of the top and put them to one side prior to dealing the actual flop etc.  Were my eyes decieving me?  Is this normal practice? Think it was Aussie millions if this helps? Apologies if this has been asked before/dumb Q  but am really curious. Pad
    Posted by Glenelg

      when dealing live the dealer removes the top card before dealing flop, turn and river. This is called the burn card.
      This is to eliminate any cheating , i.e  marked cards.
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  • AcidMan27AcidMan27
    edited May 2011
    Yeah it's always used as far as I know. It's called burning.

    They do it because the top of the card is visible to all players so if somebody notices a mark on a specific card they could recognise which card it is.

    I think that's the only reason why they do it, but somebody else may know more than me.
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
    edited May 2011

    I have also never played live Pad, but I continue to be amazed when watching poker on TV how slow it is....

    Tthe dealers love to faff abaout with the cards between hands, laying them out, mixing them up, riffling them, cutting them, then dealing them......

    It's 2011, surely theres a faster way to do it?

     - Have a secondary dealer who is doing all this whilst a hand is in play, so at the end of 1 hand, the players chuck their cards in, the dealer is immediately passed a new deck which is ready to be dealt straight away?

    Tizn't roquet science, I've sent my dragons den application form in already.
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  • JockBMWJockBMW
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Dealing at live events:
    I have also never played live Pad, but I continue to be amazed when watching poker on TV how slow it is.... Tthe dealers love to faff abaout with the cards between hands, laying them out, mixing them up, riffling them, cutting them, then dealing them...... It's 2011, surely theres a faster way to do it?  - Have a secondary dealer who is doing all this whilst a hand is in play, so at the end of 1 hand, the players chuck their cards in, the dealer is immediately passed a new deck which is ready to be dealt straight away? Tizn't roquet science, I've sent my dragons den application form in already.
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH

    There are some tables I've seen where the dealer simply collects the cards together and put them in a slot it the table,  there is a second set of cards in there which has been pre shuffled by the table> the dealer just alternates between the two packs with the table shuffling the one pack whilst the other pack is in play 

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  • FlashFlushFlashFlush
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Dealing at live events:
    I have also never played live Pad, but I continue to be amazed when watching poker on TV how slow it is.... Tthe dealers love to faff abaout with the cards between hands, laying them out, mixing them up, riffling them, cutting them, then dealing them...... It's 2011, surely theres a faster way to do it?  - Have a secondary dealer who is doing all this whilst a hand is in play, so at the end of 1 hand, the players chuck their cards in, the dealer is immediately passed a new deck which is ready to be dealt straight away? Tizn't roquet science, I've sent my dragons den application form in already.
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    When I played a Heads Up championship at DTD they had 2 dealers. You would get dealt the cards, and while the hand is playing out the 2nd dealer is shuffling ready, so as soon as you fold and the cards are mucked back to the dealer the next hand is ready to be dealt.

    Also at DTD on the cash tables they use 2 decks of cards and a shuffling machine that shuffles the pack that is not being used during that hand. More hands = more rake.
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
    edited May 2011

    How about the 2 GUKPT final tables I've watched on the live stream though?.....

    Couldn't they get them working together there??
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN
    edited May 2011
    We have 2 dealers shuffling in our home game, while a hand is being played the person who dealt the previous hand shuffles and passes to the next person

    Works well
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  • The_Don90The_Don90
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Dealing at live events:
    How about the 2 GUKPT final tables I've watched on the live stream though?..... Couldn't they get them working together there??
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    I know they use this at the circus casino for blackjack to stop card counting. However i also know they aint cheap for a decent one. My uncle bought one for £100 for his pub, and its a joke, u tell it to shuffle and it spits cards at you.
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  • Tikay10Tikay10
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Dealing at live events:
    I have also never played live Pad, but I continue to be amazed when watching poker on TV how slow it is.... Tthe dealers love to faff abaout with the cards between hands, laying them out, mixing them up, riffling them, cutting them, then dealing them...... It's 2011, surely theres a faster way to do it?  - Have a secondary dealer who is doing all this whilst a hand is in play, so at the end of 1 hand, the players chuck their cards in, the dealer is immediately passed a new deck which is ready to be dealt straight away? Tizn't roquet science, I've sent my dragons den application form in already.
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    There you go, JJ.

    http://www.shufflemaster.com/

    VERY few UK Cardrooms have them, but DTD have about 9, I think, which they ONLY use on cash game Tables. Their purpose, really, is to speed up the game. The more hands dealt per hour, the more rake generated, so they pay for themselves over time.

    They are very common in Vegas, & Mainland Europe, though.

    The ones DTD use cost about (wait for it....) €9,000 EACH, but they can be rented for about 5% of that, per month, per machine.

    Cheaper versions are sold by "shuffletech", @ $400 or $500 each, you can even buy "toy" ones for $30 or $40, but the Shufflemaster is the Rolls-Royce of automatic shuufflers.     
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  • Tikay10Tikay10
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Dealing at live events:
    In Response to Re: Dealing at live events : I know they use this at the circus casino for blackjack to stop card counting. However i also know they aint cheap for a decent one. My uncle bought one for £100 for his pub, and its a joke, u tell it to shuffle and it spits cards at you.
    Posted by The_Don90
    It does not stop Blackjack "card-counting" at all, but it speeds up the process of shuffling, & as such, the House makes some 5% or 10% more per hour. Whilst a manual shuffle of 5 or 6 decks is in progress, a very slow process, so that is "downtime" for the Blackjack Table, & so no money is being earned.

    Auto-shuffler - more Blackjack hands = more action.
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  • The_Don90The_Don90
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Dealing at live events:
    In Response to Re: Dealing at live events : It does not stop Blackjack "card-counting" at all, but it speeds up the process of shuffling, & as such, the House makes some 5% or 10% more per hour. Whilst a manual shuffle of 5 or 6 decks is in progress, a very slow process, so that is "downtime" for the Blackjack Table, & so no money is being earned. Auto-shuffler - more Blackjack hands = more action.
    Posted by Tikay10
    ah i wonly went by what the dealer told me. im not clever enough to count cards anyways.
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  • BrownnDogBrownnDog
    edited May 2011
    They must have a super strong patent if they can set their prices at 9000 euros. 
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  • AcidMan27AcidMan27
    edited May 2011
    Are the cheapo ones not much use then ?

    Always thought about getting one for home games as most of us are useless at shuffling.
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  • GlenelgGlenelg
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Dealing at live events:
    I have also never played live Pad, but I continue to be amazed when watching poker on TV how slow it is.... Tthe dealers love to faff abaout with the cards between hands, laying them out, mixing them up, riffling them, cutting them, then dealing them...... It's 2011, surely theres a faster way to do it?  - Have a secondary dealer who is doing all this whilst a hand is in play, so at the end of 1 hand, the players chuck their cards in, the dealer is immediately passed a new deck which is ready to be dealt straight away? Tizn't roquet science, I've sent my dragons den application form in already.
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    In the Aussie millions I've seen this is what happened.  Also, players had iirc 30 seconds to act. They also had 2 x time discs which they could get another 30 seconds thinking time if they wished.  I know it was trimmed for TV but it obviously speeded things up. 
    Thanks all for your replies. Very interesting.
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  • loonytoonsloonytoons
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Dealing at live events:
    In Response to Re: Dealing at live events : There you go, JJ. http://www.shufflemaster.com/ VERY few UK Cardrooms have them, but DTD have about 9, I think, which they ONLY use on cash game Tables. Their purpose, really, is to speed up the game. The more hands dealt per hour, the more rake generated, so they pay for themselves over time. They are very common in Vegas, & Mainland Europe, though. The ones DTD use cost about (wait for it....) €9,000 EACH, but they can be rented for about 5% of that, per month, per machine. Cheaper versions are sold by "shuffletech", @ $400 or $500 each, you can even buy "toy" ones for $30 or $40, but the Shufflemaster is the Rolls-Royce of automatic shuufflers.  
    Posted by Tikay10
    I bet you would get loads of players complaining about the rigged random shuffle generator, and asking for its certificate of randomness lol.
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  • Tikay10Tikay10
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Dealing at live events:
    In Response to Re: Dealing at live events : I bet you would get loads of players complaining about the rigged random shuffle generator, and asking for its certificate of randomness lol.
    Posted by loonytoons
    Yes, but as a general rule, only the losers.
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  • GaryQQQGaryQQQ
    edited May 2011
    FWIW all the WSOP final tables this year will be using automatic shuffling machines, so I can only assume they are considered to shuffle a deck of cards at least as, if not more, randomly than a human being.
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  • Tikay10Tikay10
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Dealing at live events:
    FWIW all the WSOP final tables this year will be using automatic shuffling machines, so I can only assume they are considered to shuffle a deck of cards more randomly than a human being.
    Posted by GaryQQQ
    I would suggest "more quickly & efficiently, & in keeping with the times" than "more randomly".

    I would also guess sponsorship is involved.........
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