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Sharkscope - What a joke
Never really put much faith in sharkscope but i tend to look at it once a week or so at my own stats to see how i'm progressing.
I looked monday and it showed a nice ROI of 12% with the graphs showing my strongest games were 4/5 dollar (or pounds, not sure) sng's.
Now since then I have virtually only been playing 3.30's /2.25's and my bankroll has increased by the huge amount of £12.00!(not great but an increase on my week) but upon checking it today all my stats have gone down and the total profit/loss has also gone down.
My rating has dropped 7 points and my ROI on this type of game has gone from +15% to -5%!
At the same time my one dollar and less ROI has gone up from -9% to +10%. (this is encouraging even though i have only played 3 micro games this week!)
Anyone out there got the foggiest idea on how sharkscope works? Or is it just random????
I looked monday and it showed a nice ROI of 12% with the graphs showing my strongest games were 4/5 dollar (or pounds, not sure) sng's.
Now since then I have virtually only been playing 3.30's /2.25's and my bankroll has increased by the huge amount of £12.00!(not great but an increase on my week) but upon checking it today all my stats have gone down and the total profit/loss has also gone down.
My rating has dropped 7 points and my ROI on this type of game has gone from +15% to -5%!
At the same time my one dollar and less ROI has gone up from -9% to +10%. (this is encouraging even though i have only played 3 micro games this week!)
Anyone out there got the foggiest idea on how sharkscope works? Or is it just random????
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two weeks ago i logged onto sharkscope my roi was 64%,so was happy, since then ive played twice got in cash both times and yest it said my roi was 51%, so answer 2 ur question is i dont take any notice of it now m8,
Just looked and I'm on super tilt which is kinda funny. Haven't cashed in like my past 15 tournies lol.
I've been saying this for years - please NEVER trust Sharkscope stats.
They are often inaccurate. I get mocked frequently by players believing Sharkscope Stats, & it's a little irksome, to say the least.
The only things in life that can be trusted are Policeman - they alway know the time. My Dad told me that.
Tikay, are you saying Sharkscope stats are just plain wrong?
Or that Sharkscope should not be used as the ONLY indicator of how good/bad/indifferent a player is.
I would hope you meant the latter, however I'm not entirely sure from your post above.
Both, Jingle.
They ARE often wrong, & I have proof of that.
They should be used, as you imply, as an indicator to who plays what, at which lebels, &, in broad terms, as a rough guide to ability.
They are not the be all & end all though, & they do not measure Cash games.
'Stars, by the way, no longer supports Sharkscope, because they were very unhappy with the level of inaccurate info being displayed.
Interesting.
I've found my own stats there to be pretty accurate, but did not know they had an accuracy issue overall.
I'll certainly bear that in mind, thanks Tikay.
Nor have I made any further deposits since my initial deposit.
I am keeping a more accurate record of what it says and re-post an update in a week.
The main thing that causes inaccuracy i find is if you satelite into a tournament then any cash is not counted. So people including myself find a deep finish in the open for example is not shown... In general though i find my stats accurate and the graphs update as soon as the tournament finishes
Guys, please - never Post Sharkcope Stats on here.
It breaches Sharkscope's T & C's, & the Mods will get uppity. And you know how uppity they can get.
The core client base for their product is 20 tabling SnG grinders on US sites who post on 2p2. That demographic would not stand for constant inaccuracies in the data. They will also be using HEM/PT and can cross reference their own mined data based on their SnG history against Sharkscopes.
I realise that it isn't perfect but I would say in 99% of cases it is a very good tool for indicating the level of a random villians play.
The big poker sites don't like it being used because they realise if a total fish stumbled upon it and realised that they was down 20$k on 5$ SnGs then that could be the wake up call they need to stop playing poker.
what conclusion would that have on playing a hand...in fact it could give you a miss read or make you forget what your in the hand for in the first place...
Forget this nonsense and get yourself a 'game plan' for how your going to play, not wonder how others are doing, this is an internet game , we don't know these people.....do you really believe this kind of information will help YOUR game..
lost for words benny
I have tried via Internet Explorer and AOL with no joy.
I have no idea what my stats are but it doesn't bother me to much as I only play for fun and if I happen to cash it is a big bonus.
I imagine that when you're in a hand live, facing a tough decision on the river where someone has put you all in....you think back to a hand you played with the guy 3 months ago where he made the same move with a busted flush draw. OFC just because the move is the same doesn't make hsi hand the same, but having 'hisotry' with a villain does go into your thought process and makes that decision a bit easier.
The stats that sharkscope offers are of similar value. It helps in decision making.
Then again I'm an internet player who even when playing live assigns players stats and thinks ok the guy in the blue shirt plays a decent 31/28 laggy game and the young asian guy is a loose passive 70/12 and the girl is an 18/15.
Of course these stats probably mean nothing to you Benny but I'm sure if you read up on them then you would quickly learn and use them in your decision making.
I would also like to add TK that stars do now have an agreement with sharkscope, you have to send i think 10 cents to sharkscope to 'opt in' to be able to view your own stats and others who have opted in... you do get the 10 cents back though.
For my little experiment next week, i will have a week playing £3.30 DYM's and nothing else.
If anyone wants an easy cash, you know where to go!
Tikay, I will not post my stats but I will let everyone know the exact outcome, How many games played. How many won/lost and total profit /loss for the week.
Yes, this may well be embarrasing for me if I have an awful week but I need to be honest here.
I will then post the difference in my stats without revealing them.
This MAY help prove inconsistancies in sharkskope.
I FOUND OUT 2 THINGS
1.PLAYER GOES ALL IN EVERY OTHERHAND OR IS A TOTAL CALLING STATION I THINK THIS GUYS A TW*T! . YOU LOOK HIM UP AND SURPRISE SURPRISE HES $500 DOWN FROM 100 GAMES.
2, THIS BLOKE/BIRD IS KICKING MY A*SE . YOU LOOK THEM UP AND THEY ARE $500 UP FROM 100 GAMES.
SORRY BUT CANT SEE THE POINT OF IT
As for this, look disicion making is about the way the hand is being played from the s/b back to the Button
and the thing that never gets mentioned on this site, is "CHIP Management" in the game..
McCririck and 'stato' r stats men ... need I say more ?