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luck =profit simple

unknown_usernameunknown_username
edited June 2011 in Brags, Beats and Variance
1st up the £1200 mini bounty, some as always card dead then pick up a hand
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
BURNShurtz Small blind  30.00 30.00 3007.50
pomfrittes Big blind  60.00 90.00 4515.00
  Your hole cards
  • A
  • A
     
alanstew Fold     
huni Call  60.00 150.00 2408.75
ICEBRAM Fold     
BUDDY345 Call  60.00 210.00 4273.75
BURNShurtz Raise  270.00 480.00 2737.50
pomfrittes Fold     
huni Call  240.00 720.00 2168.75
BUDDY345 Fold     
Flop
   
  • Q
  • 2
  • J
     
BURNShurtz Bet  540.00 1260.00 2197.50
huni All-in  2168.75 3428.75 0.00
BURNShurtz All-in  2197.50 5626.25 0.00
BURNShurtz Unmatched bet  568.75 5057.50 568.75
BURNShurtz Show
  • A
  • A
   
huni Show
  • 10
  • 9
   
Turn
   
  • 8
     
River
   
  • A
     
huni Win Straight to the Queen 5057.50  5057.50
didnt knock me out but same bull as yesterday and the day before that and so on.
so get this hand next again i dont hit a card to help and lose as usual
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
pomfrittes Small blind  30.00 30.00 4485.00
alanstew Big blind  60.00 90.00 5920.00
  Your hole cards
  • 9
  • 9
     
huni Raise  120.00 210.00 4937.50
ICEBRAM Fold     
BUDDY345 Call  120.00 330.00 4153.75
BURNShurtz All-in  568.75 898.75 0.00
pomfrittes Call  538.75 1437.50 3946.25
alanstew Call  508.75 1946.25 5411.25
huni Call  448.75 2395.00 4488.75
BUDDY345 Call  448.75 2843.75 3705.00
Flop
   
  • K
  • 7
  • Q
     
pomfrittes Bet  2843.75 5687.50 1102.50
alanstew Fold     
huni All-in  4488.75 10176.25 0.00
BUDDY345 Fold     
pomfrittes All-in  1102.50 11278.75 0.00
huni Unmatched bet  542.50 10736.25 542.50
pomfrittes Show
  • 5
  • A
   
huni Show
  • 5
  • K
   
BURNShurtz Show
  • 9
  • 9
   
Turn
   
  • 6
     
River
   
  • 3
     
pomfrittes Win Flush to the Ace 10736.25  10736.25
out of that one

still in the 12k bounty tho, but no cards and no bountys yet
then get this hand
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
BURNShurtz Small blind  300.00 300.00 4800.00
hurst05 Big blind  600.00 900.00 12309.00
  Your hole cards
  • 10
  • 10
     
WYLIEBOB Fold     
loki1 All-in  1235.00 2135.00 0.00
snowbird Call  1235.00 3370.00 12305.50
tyger Fold     
BURNShurtz All-in  4800.00 8170.00 0.00
hurst05 Fold     
snowbird Call  3865.00 12035.00 8440.50
BURNShurtz Show
  • 10
  • 10
   
loki1 Show
  • Q
  • 9
   
snowbird Show
  • K
  • Q
   
Flop
   
  • J
  • A
  • 5
     
Turn
   
  • Q
     
River
   
  • J
     
loki1 Win Two Pairs, Queens and Jacks 2152.50  2152.50
snowbird Win Two Pairs, Queens and Jacks 9882.50  18323.00
out of that one too.

i really dont get how i can run so bad in tourneys, and i think alot of you dont understand how bad i run.
part of me thinks maybe im just a really really bad poker player, but then when i look over the hands i play even tho i still make alot of mistakes i wouldnt say im below average. avarage at best but not below

its like no matter how hard i try and try to improve, when i think im doin well i get the slammed back down again,
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited June 2011
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    will15 Small blind  £0.05 £0.05 £19.13
    DUKE29 Big blind  £0.10 £0.15 £11.26
      Your hole cards
    • K
    • K
    		     
    bango Fold     
    BURNShurtz Raise  £0.40 £0.55 £5.26
    REVELATOR Fold     
    ashers Fold     
    will15 Call  £0.35 £0.90 £18.78
    DUKE29 Call  £0.30 £1.20 £10.96
    Flop
       
    • J
    • 8
    • 7
    		     
    will15 Bet  £0.60 £1.80 £18.18
    DUKE29 Raise  £1.20 £3.00 £9.76
    BURNShurtz All-in  £5.26 £8.26 £0.00
    will15 Fold     
    DUKE29 Call  £4.06 £12.32 £5.70
    DUKE29 Show
    • K
    • A
    		   
    BURNShurtz Show
    • K
    • K
    		   
    Turn
       
    • A
    		     
    River
       
    • Q
    		     
    DUKE29 Win Pair of Aces £11.39  £17.09
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited June 2011

    get it in ahead again, lose again.

    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    zzz222 Small blind  50.00 50.00 3515.00
    BURNShurtz Big blind  100.00 150.00 995.00
      Your hole cards
    • 3
    • 3
    		     
    sporad1c Fold     
    creop527 Fold     
    zzz222 Call  50.00 200.00 3465.00
    BURNShurtz Check     
    Flop
       
    • 5
    • 3
    • 2
    		     
    zzz222 Check     
    BURNShurtz Bet  100.00 300.00 895.00
    zzz222 Raise  200.00 500.00 3265.00
    BURNShurtz All-in  895.00 1395.00 0.00
    zzz222 Call  795.00 2190.00 2470.00
    zzz222 Show
    • 5
    • 9
    		   
    BURNShurtz Show
    • 3
    • 3
    		   
    Turn
       
    • K
    		     
    River
       
    • Q
    		     
    zzz222 Win Flush to the King 2190.00  4660.00
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited June 2011
    £250 bounty hunter, theres 2 bountys up for grabs and pretty sure im ahead. luck saves the day again, big stack wins as always
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    pitstop10 Small blind  50.00 50.00 4032.50
    alanward Big blind  13.75 63.75 0.00
      Your hole cards
    • 5
    • 5
    		     
    Brownie586 Fold     
    t-dog250 Raise  600.00 663.75 12030.00
    BURNShurtz Call  600.00 1263.75 4277.50
    davieb20 Fold     
    pitstop10 All-in  4032.50 5296.25 0.00
    t-dog250 Call  3482.50 8778.75 8547.50
    BURNShurtz All-in  4277.50 13056.25 0.00
    t-dog250 Call  795.00 13851.25 7752.50
    pitstop10 Show
    • Q
    • J
    		   
    alanward Show
    • J
    • 2
    		   
    t-dog250 Show
    • 5
    • 6
    		   
    BURNShurtz Show
    • 5
    • 5
    		   
    Flop
       
    • A
    • 7
    • 9
    		     
    Turn
       
    • 6
    		     
    River
       
    • 10
    		     
    t-dog250 Win Pair of 6s 13851.25  21603.75
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  • MohicanMohican
    edited June 2011
    This is how I see the hands.
    1st hand-pre flop, v loose call pre but on the flop,Huni has given themselves two ways to win the pot, you folding or hitting,so post flop play isn't that bad,just unlucky for you.
    2nd hand-good shove but with the min raise and call before you,with less than 10bb's pomfrittes feels priced in and the rest more so.Win the hand and you get a nice 4x up.
    3rd hand-Once Snow bird has called the first all in, they feel priced in to your 8bb shove,especially as it's a BH. Standard call.
    4th hand-10bb's and a small PP and an unopend pot in the BB,should be shove and you take it down. As played once they reraise you they are never folding to your 9 bb shove with a flush draw.
    5th hand-Once again, you've got a PP with less than 10bb's,either fold or shove.As played, once there's been an All-in and call before you should fold,as you're never better than a coin flip as it's likely to be four over cards(think that actually makes you worse than a coin flip) and if it's an overpair you're in a world of hurt.(others might say that once you've limp called you have to call the All-in)
    So in summary,a bit of luck in a couple of hands done for you, in others your play has given people options and if played a bit better, you might not have ended up in such marginal spots.
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  • MohicanMohican
    edited June 2011
    Missed out the cash hand.
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: luck =profit simple:
    This is how I see the hands. 1st hand-pre flop, v loose call pre but on the flop,Huni has given themselves two ways to win the pot, you folding or hitting,so post flop play isn't that bad,just unlucky for you. 2nd hand-good shove but with the min raise and call before you,with less than 10bb's pomfrittes feels priced in and the rest more so.Win the hand and you get a nice 4x up. 3rd hand-Once Snow bird has called the first all in, they feel priced in to your 8bb shove,especially as it's a BH. Standard call. 4th hand-10bb's and a small PP and an unopend pot in the BB,should be shove and you take it down. As played once they reraise you they are never folding to your 9 bb shove with a flush draw. 5th hand-Once again, you've got a PP with less than 10bb's,either fold or shove.As played, once there's been an All-in and call before you should fold,as you're never better than a coin flip as it's likely to be four over cards(think that actually makes you worse than a coin flip) and if it's an overpair you're in a world of hurt.(others might say that once you've limp called you have to call the All-in) So in summary,a bit of luck in a couple of hands done for you, in others your play has given people options and if played a bit better, you might not have ended up in such marginal spots.
    Posted by Mohican
    the fact is m8 that no matter what i do people hit there cards to beat me on the otherside of the coin is i dont hit cards when im drawing to a hand. this thread is not about how iv played hands its the fact that every and i do mean EVERY time im allin and in front i lose. its part of life for me, sure they have outs or in the 1 hand with 66 i was behind but had like 10 outs what my point is that even on a coin flip in the long run i should win 50% (im talking like over thousands of hands) i dont get that. would you prefere me to be goin all in with say T4?? i didt relise that when the best hand you have had all tourny is 55 and your short stacked that i should fold.

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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited June 2011
    they always hit their hands ALWAYS
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    BURNShurtz Small blind  75.00 75.00 2185.00
    BAGGPUSS Big blind  150.00 225.00 3575.00
      Your hole cards
    • 10
    • K
    		     
    Buster69 Call  150.00 375.00 11827.50
    Tspark Fold     
    snowy6789 Call  150.00 525.00 960.00
    poker69 Call  150.00 675.00 2107.50
    BURNShurtz Call  75.00 750.00 2110.00
    BAGGPUSS Check     
    Flop
       
    • 10
    • 3
    • 4
    		     
    BURNShurtz Bet  562.50 1312.50 1547.50
    BAGGPUSS Call  562.50 1875.00 3012.50
    Buster69 Fold     
    snowy6789 Fold     
    poker69 Fold     
    Turn
       
    • J
    		     
    BURNShurtz Check     
    BAGGPUSS Check     
    River
       
    • 6
    		     
    BURNShurtz Check     
    BAGGPUSS Bet  1875.00 3750.00 1137.50
    BURNShurtz All-in  1547.50 5297.50 0.00
    BAGGPUSS Unmatched bet  327.50 4970.00 1465.00
    BURNShurtz Show
    • 10
    • K
    		   
    BAGGPUSS Show
    • 7
    • 8
    		   
    BAGGPUSS Win Flush to the 8 4970.00  6435.00
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  • MohicanMohican
    edited June 2011
    That last hand emphasises my point exactly. Your play has let them hit. Pre flop with 14 bbs is an excellent spot with 3 limpers to shove and take down a pot of nearly 700 chips. As played,once you've bet the flop with 25%of your  stack, you have to shove the turn. You gave him a free card and then called the All-in. If you're prepared to call the All-in,why not do the All-in on the turn yourself and put the decision on them.
     You say 'i didt relise that when the best hand you have had all tourny is 55 and your short stacked that i should fold.'What I said is that you should've shoved pre flop,not limp calling, as you have less than 10bb's. Yes,sometimes people are still gonna call,but if you keep getting them to call on draws/with a worse hand you'll be a winner in the long run. In that last hand, he's gonna find it a lot harder to effectively call for his tourney on a draw if you shove the turn. Stop blaming luck and saying they always hit and look at why they hit. In this instance,it's because you gave them a free card and secondly,pre flop, they got in for free as they were the BB, they are not calling if you've jammed it in.
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  • MohicanMohican
    edited June 2011
    Post that last hand in the Poker Clinic and see what others have to say.
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  • LOL_RAISELOL_RAISE
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: luck =profit simple:
    In Response to Re: luck =profit simple : the fact is m8 that no matter what i do people hit there cards to beat me on the otherside of the coin is i dont hit cards when im drawing to a hand. this thread is not about how iv played hands its the fact that every and i do mean EVERY time im allin and in front i lose.
    Posted by BURNShurtz
    your sharkscope shows 3 big cashes relative to your average buyin, what happened on these occasions?
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: luck =profit simple:
    In Response to Re: luck =profit simple : your sharkscope shows 3 big cashes relative to your average buyin, what happened on these occasions?
    Posted by LOL_RAISE
    tried not to go allin til i had no choice.
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited June 2011
    £500 bounty
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    BURNShurtz Small blind  150.00 150.00 3045.00
    Direwolf Big blind  300.00 450.00 1692.50
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • K
    		     
    ginger1969 Fold     
    painy12 Fold     
    chisel Call  300.00 750.00 5417.50
    BURNShurtz Raise  750.00 1500.00 2295.00
    Direwolf Fold     
    chisel Call  600.00 2100.00 4817.50
    Flop
       
    • 9
    • 6
    • 6
    		     
    BURNShurtz Check     
    chisel Bet  1050.00 3150.00 3767.50
    BURNShurtz All-in  2295.00 5445.00 0.00
    chisel Call  1245.00 6690.00 2522.50
    BURNShurtz Show
    • A
    • K
    		   
    chisel Show
    • K
    • 9
    		   
    Turn
       
    • J
    		     
    River
       
    • 3
    		     
    chisel Win Two Pairs, 9s and 6s 6690.00  9212.50
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited June 2011
    hand history for the £500 bounty tourney
    Hand NumDateTotal PotMy CardsCommunity CardsStakeWinning Hand
    3786158722011-06-04 17:26:326690.00
    • A
    • K
    • 9
    • 6
    • 6
    • J
    • 3
    		3195.00
    • chisel won 6690.00 with a Two Pairs, 9s and 6s
    3786156982011-06-04 17:25:54600.00
    • 6
    • J
    • Q
    • 5
    • 8
    		200.00
    • chisel won 600.00
    3786155212011-06-04 17:25:161000.00
    • 9
    • Q
    • 2
    • 4
    • 3
    		0.00
    • ginger1969 won 1000.00
    3786153402011-06-04 17:24:33800.00
    • 4
    • 6
    • A
    • 4
    • 6
    • 9
    		0.00
    • ginger1969 won 800.00
    3786152562011-06-04 17:24:14700.00
    • 7
    • 6
    		0.00
    • chisel won 700.00
    3786151432011-06-04 17:23:473395.00
    • A
    • J
    • 2
    • 4
    • Q
    • 5
    • 6
    		1597.50
    • BURNShurtz won 3395.00 with a Ace high
    3786150482011-06-04 17:23:26900.00
    • 2
    • A
    		200.00
    • painy12 won 900.00
    3786149022011-06-04 17:22:564520.00
    • Q
    • 6
    • J
    • 3
    • A
    • A
    • 7
    		0.00
    • painy12 won 4520.00 with a Two Pairs, Aces and 8s
    3786146882011-06-04 17:22:08400.00
    • 5
    • 3
    • 8
    • 4
    • A
    • Q
    • J
    		0.00
    • ginger1969 won 400.00 with a Pair of 4s
    3786144712011-06-04 17:21:162550.00
    • 2
    • 10
    • 7
    • 5
    • Q
    • 4
    • 7
    		0.00
    • chisel won 2550.00
    3786143872011-06-04 17:20:542360.00
    • Q
    • 4
    		100.00
    • painy12 won 2360.00
    3786142632011-06-04 17:20:26600.00
    • 8
    • 4
    • 10
    • 9
    • A
    		200.00
    • chisel won 600.00
    3786141812011-06-04 17:20:08900.00
    • 5
    • 8
    		0.00
    • Direwolf won 900.00
    3786140222011-06-04 17:19:331200.00
    • 10
    • Q
    • 7
    • K
    • 8
    		200.00
    • chisel won 1200.00
    3786139472011-06-04 17:19:17300.00
    • J
    • 8
    		0.00
    • ginger1969 won 300.00
    3786137762011-06-04 17:18:36800.00
    • 3
    • 3
    • 5
    • K
    • 7
    		200.00
    • ginger1969 won 800.00
    3786136322011-06-04 17:18:07600.00
    • 2
    • Q
    • 7
    • 8
    • J
    		200.00
    • chisel won 600.00
    3786133482011-06-04 17:17:021350.00
    • K
    • 2
    • 5
    • 8
    • 5
    • 5
    • 10
    		0.00
    • Direwolf won 1350.00
    3786131882011-06-04 17:16:23800.00
    • 6
    • 8
    • 9
    • 2
    • 9
    • 3
    • Q
    		0.00
    • ginger1969 won 800.00
    3786129982011-06-04 17:15:424417.50
    • Q
    • 2
    • 8
    • 5
    • 9
    • 10
    • 4
    		0.00
    • chisel won 4417.50 with a Straight to the Queen
    3786128802011-06-04 17:15:14750.00
    • 10
    • A
    		450.00
    • BURNShurtz won 750.00
    3786127062011-06-04 17:14:35450.00
    • 6
    • 6
    • Q
    • 8
    • 7
    • 10
    		150.00
    • chisel won 450.00
    3786125992011-06-04 17:14:132660.00
    • A
    • 6
    		0.00
    • painy12 won 2660.00
    3786124622011-06-04 17:13:41600.00
    • 5
    • 4
    • 8
    • J
    • 6
    		0.00
    • chisel won 600.00
    3786123772011-06-04 17:13:23825.00
    • 2
    • 3
    		0.00
    • painy12 won 825.00
    3786121682011-06-04 17:12:381500.00
    • J
    • K
    • 2
    • 2
    • A
    • K
    • A
    		675.00
    • BURNShurtz won 1500.00 with a Two Pairs, Aces and Kings
    3786119692011-06-04 17:11:57600.00
    • 2
    • Q
    • 6
    • 6
    • 9
    • 8
    		150.00
    • chisel won 600.00
    3786118252011-06-04 17:11:28525.00
    • 5
    • 6
    • K
    • K
    • 6
    		0.00
    • chisel won 525.00
    3786115872011-06-04 17:10:391860.00
    • K
    • 9
    • J
    • 2
    • A
    • Q
    • J
    		150.00
    • ginger1969 won 930.00 with a Three Jacks
    3786114242011-06-04 17:10:04750.00
    • A
    • 2
    • 7
    • J
    • 4
    		0.00
    • chisel won 750.00
    3786113302011-06-04 17:09:48225.00
    • 3
    • 9
    		0.00
    • ginger1969 won 225.00
    3786112032011-06-04 17:09:17750.00
    • Q
    • 4
    • 2
    • 3
    • 7
    		75.00
    • ginger1969 won 750.00
    3786111072011-06-04 17:09:01525.00
    • 2
    • 2
    		150.00
    • ginger1969 won 525.00
    3786109942011-06-04 17:08:391421.25
    • 10
    • A
    		0.00
    • chisel won 1421.25
    3786107732011-06-04 17:07:53656.25
    • 3
    • A
    • 8
    • 7
    • 4
    		0.00
    • painy12 won 656.25
    3786089802011-06-04 17:01:07300.00
    • 5
    • 2
    		0.00
    • ginger1969 won 300.00
    3786089092011-06-04 17:00:51150.00
    • 4
    • J
    		0.00
    • ginger1969 won 150.00
    3786086032011-06-04 16:59:437292.50
    • 5
    • A
    • 9
    • 10
    • 9
    • 7
    • 7
    		100.00
    • ginger1969 won 3646.25 with a Full House, 9s and 7s
    3786085042011-06-04 16:59:212420.00
    • 2
    • 5
    		100.00
    • chisel won 2420.00
    3786083222011-06-04 16:58:431500.00
    • 7
    • 7
    • 4
    • Q
    • 5
    • 2
    • 10
    		300.00
    • ginger1969 won 1500.00
    3786081802011-06-04 16:58:14500.00
    • A
    • 2
    • 5
    • 9
    • 5
    		0.00
    • ginger1969 won 500.00
    3786079042011-06-04 16:57:19825.00
    • J
    • 7
    • 5
    • J
    • 7
    		475.00
    • BURNShurtz won 825.00
    3786077122011-06-04 16:56:39625.00
    • 9
    • 8
    • 8
    • 4
    • 10
    • 9
    • 6
    		287.50
    • BURNShurtz won 625.00 with a Two Pairs, 9s and 8s
    3786076092011-06-04 16:56:16450.00
    • 7
    • 3
    		50.00
    • bjl2682 won 450.00
    3786074252011-06-04 16:55:41300.00
    • K
    • 6
    • 10
    • 8
    • 2
    		200.00
    • BURNShurtz won 300.00
    3786072642011-06-04 16:55:07650.00
    • 2
    • Q
    • 9
    • K
    • 7
    		0.00
    • Direwolf won 650.00
    3786071192011-06-04 16:54:40350.00
    • 10
    • 9
    • 3
    • 4
    • J
    		200.00
    • BURNShurtz won 350.00
    3786070672011-06-04 16:54:30150.00
    • 4
    • J
    		0.00
    • ginger1969 won 150.00
    3786068682011-06-04 16:53:503017.50
    • 8
    • 8
    • 3
    • A
    • 9
    		200.00
    • Direwolf won 3017.50
    3786067922011-06-04 16:53:35300.00
    • 6
    • 3
    		100.00
    • bjl2682 won 300.00
    3786067202011-06-04 16:53:18150.00
    • 4
    • 2
    		0.00
    • bjl2682 won 150.00
    3786066352011-06-04 16:53:01350.00
    • 7
    • 6
    		200.00
    • BURNShurtz won 350.00
    3786063882011-06-04 16:52:152100.00
    • 6
    • 3
    • 5
    • 10
    • 6
    • 6
    • 9
    		0.00
    • ginger1969 won 2100.00 with a Two Pairs, 10s and 6s
    3786062922011-06-04 16:51:56150.00
    • 3
    • 6
    		50.00
    • Direwolf won 150.00
    3786061262011-06-04 16:51:21600.00
    • A
    • 10
    • 2
    • Q
    • K
    • 2
    		100.00
    • ginger1969 won 600.00
    3786059622011-06-04 16:50:482160.00
    • J
    • A
    • A
    • 6
    • 4
    		1640.00
    • BURNShurtz won 2160.00
    3786058792011-06-04 16:50:33280.00
    • J
    • J
    		160.00
    • BURNShurtz won 280.00
    3786057502011-06-04 16:50:04910.00
    • 3
    • K
    • K
    • 8
    • 10
    		0.00
    • bjl2682 won 910.00
    3786055682011-06-04 16:49:25840.00
    • 6
    • 9
    • 3
    • 4
    • 10
    • Q
    • K
    		40.00
    • bjl2682 won 840.00
    3786053982011-06-04 16:48:471600.00
    • 8
    • K
    • 10
    • 4
    • 8
    • 4
    • 6
    		380.00
    • ginger1969 won 1600.00
    3786052222011-06-04 16:48:122437.50
    • 2
    • 10
    • A
    • 10
    • 4
    • 8
    		0.00
    • Direwolf won 2437.50
    3786050912011-06-04 16:47:41660.00
    • 2
    • 2
    • 8
    • 4
    • 8
    		380.00
    • BURNShurtz won 660.00
    3786049922011-06-04 16:47:20120.00
    • 9
    • 5
    		0.00
    • ginger1969 won 120.00
    3786049342011-06-04 16:47:09120.00
    • J
    • 5
    		40.00
    • Direwolf won 120.00
    3786047582011-06-04 16:46:33480.00
    • 10
    • 5
    • 7
    • 10
    • 8
    • 3
    • 4
    		240.00
    • bjl2682 won 480.00 with a Straight to the 8
    3786044882011-06-04 16:45:401800.00
    • 10
    • K
    • A
    • K
    • 8
    • 5
    • Q
    		840.00
    • ginger1969 won 1800.00 with a Flush to the King
    3786043772011-06-04 16:45:19240.00
    • 10
    • 7
    		0.00
    • ginger1969 won 240.00
    3786042422011-06-04 16:44:51120.00
    • 3
    • 4
    		0.00
    • ginger1969 won 120.00
    3786040722011-06-04 16:44:214690.00
    • 2
    • 5
    • 10
    • Q
    • 9
    		40.00
    • ginger1969 won 4690.00
    3786039412011-06-04 16:43:551232.50
    • K
    • 6
    • 10
    • 9
    • Q
    • 4
    • J
    		80.00
    • bjl2682 won 1232.50 with a Pair of 4s
    3786038402011-06-04 16:43:36280.00
    • A
    • 5
    		160.00
    • BURNShurtz won 280.00
    3786036582011-06-04 16:43:01630.00
    • 2
    • J
    • A
    • J
    • 5
    • Q
    		0.00
    • bjl2682 won 630.00
    3786035722011-06-04 16:42:42240.00
    • 6
    • 4
    • J
    • J
    • 9
    		0.00
    • ginger1969 won 240.00
    3786034512011-06-04 16:42:18560.00
    • 9
    • J
    		80.00
    • Direwolf won 560.00
    3786033782011-06-04 16:42:05120.00
    • 5
    • 4
    		40.00
    • Direwolf won 120.00
    3786031372011-06-04 16:41:182267.50
    • J
    • 4
    • 7
    • 2
    • 6
    • 10
    • 3
    		80.00
    • bjl2682 won 2267.50 with a Pair of 6s
    3786029642011-06-04 16:40:46240.00
    • K
    • 9
    • Q
    • 5
    • 4
    		0.00
    • bjl2682 won 240.00
    3786027442011-06-04 16:40:05973.75
    • 5
    • 9
    • 3
    • 7
    • J
    • 6
    • 8
    		0.00
    • bjl2682 won 973.75
    3786025532011-06-04 16:39:284925.00
    • 6
    • 3
    • 10
    • A
    • Q
    • Q
    • Q
    		0.00
    • ginger1969 won 4925.00 with a Four Queens
    3786023802011-06-04 16:38:56315.00
    • J
    • A
    • K
    • 4
    • 7
    		165.00
    • BURNShurtz won 315.00
    3786021042011-06-04 16:38:031080.00
    • K
    • A
    • 6
    • K
    • Q
    • 8
    		720.00
    • BURNShurtz won 1080.00
    3786020052011-06-04 16:37:4490.00
    • 7
    • 5
    		60.00
    • BURNShurtz won 90.00
    3786019132011-06-04 16:37:25270.00
    • 7
    • Q
    		0.00
    • Direwolf won 270.00
    3786018172011-06-04 16:37:07180.00
    • 9
    • 5
    		0.00
    • ginger1969 won 180.00
    3786014602011-06-04 16:35:55780.00
    • 8
    • 5
    • J
    • 3
    • 4
    • 8
    • 10
    		60.00
    • jaretzki won 780.00 with a Pair of Jacks
    3786013172011-06-04 16:35:2590.00
    • 3
    • 8
    		30.00
    • Direwolf won 90.00
    3786012562011-06-04 16:35:1490.00
    • 2
    • K
    		60.00
    • BURNShurtz won 90.00
    3786010812011-06-04 16:34:382672.50
    • 5
    • J
    • 8
    • 3
    • 3
    		0.00
    • ginger1969 won 2672.50
    3786008912011-06-04 16:34:01585.00
    • 8
    • K
    • 3
    • 3
    • K
    		0.00
    • bjl2682 won 585.00
    3786007272011-06-04 16:33:28450.00
    • K
    • 10
    • 8
    • 2
    • 4
    		120.00
    • jaretzki won 450.00
    3786004152011-06-04 16:32:254015.00
    • 3
    • 10
    • 2
    • J
    • J
    • 4
    • 2
    		30.00
    • Direwolf won 2007.50 with a Full House, Jacks and 2s
    • ginger1969 won 2007.50 with a Full House, Jacks and 2s
    3786002002011-06-04 16:31:43420.00
    • A
    • A
    		300.00
    • BURNShurtz won 420.00
    3785998742011-06-04 16:30:32320.00
    • 3
    • 8
    • 7
    • Q
    • 2
    • 2
    • 5
    		0.00
    • bjl2682 won 320.00 with a Full House, 2s and Queens
    3785996582011-06-04 16:29:461170.00
    • 10
    • 2
    • 10
    • 10
    • 9
    • A
    • J
    		0.00
    • ginger1969 won 1170.00
    3785995762011-06-04 16:29:27120.00
    • 9
    • 4
    		0.00
    • ginger1969 won 120.00
    3785994332011-06-04 16:28:57140.00
    • 6
    • 3
    		0.00
    • bjl2682 won 140.00
    3785993372011-06-04 16:28:3760.00
    • 7
    • J
    		20.00
    • Direwolf won 60.00
    3785992302011-06-04 16:28:1560.00
    • Q
    • 2
    		40.00
    • BURNShurtz won 60.00
    3785989532011-06-04 16:27:142530.00
    • A
    • J
    • 8
    • 5
    • Q
    • 8
    • Q
    		1620.00
    • BURNShurtz won 2530.00
    3785988192011-06-04 16:26:462085.00
    • 2
    • 3
    		0.00
    • ginger1969 won 2085.00
    3785985522011-06-04 16:25:49700.00
    • 4
    • K
    • 2
    • 8
    • 10
    • 6
    • Q
    		0.00
    • bjl2682 won 700.00
    3785984872011-06-04 16:25:3560.00
    • 6
    • 2
    		0.00
    • ginger1969 won 60.00
    3785983172011-06-04 16:24:57520.00
    • 6
    • 9
    • K
    • 8
    • K
    		20.00
    • bjl2682 won 520.00
    3785982372011-06-04 16:24:4160.00
    • 4
    • 9
    		40.00
    • BURNShurtz won 60.00
    3785979672011-06-04 16:23:47200.00
    • 2
    • Q
    • 10
    • 6
    • K
    		0.00
    • ginger1969 won 200.00
    3785977202011-06-04 16:22:56390.00
    • 5
    • 10
    • 8
    • 2
    • 9
    • 4
    		0.00
    • bjl2682 won 390.00
    3785975602011-06-04 16:22:25180.00
    • 9
    • K
    		120.00
    • BURNShurtz won 180.00
    3785974102011-06-04 16:21:5660.00
    • 4
    • 6
    		0.00
    • ginger1969 won 60.00
    3785971102011-06-04 16:20:56435.00
    • 10
    • 8
    • 6
    • 2
    • 9
    • 5
    		15.00
    • jaretzki won 435.00
    3785969282011-06-04 16:20:19427.50
    • 6
    • 5
    • 8
    • 2
    • K
    		30.00
    • bjl2682 won 427.50
    3785967452011-06-04 16:19:45210.00
    • A
    • 8
    • 2
    • 7
    • 10
    		30.00
    • ginger1969 won 210.00
    3785965872011-06-04 16:19:142300.00
    • 10
    • Q
    		0.00
    • ginger1969 won 2300.00
    3785963862011-06-04 16:18:372255.00
    • 8
    • J
    		0.00
    • ginger1969 won 2255.00
    3785963192011-06-04 16:18:2445.00
    • 3
    • 7
    		0.00
    • ginger1969 won 45.00
    3785962582011-06-04 16:18:1145.00
    • J
    • 9
    		15.00
    • Direwolf won 45.00
    3785960322011-06-04 16:17:29337.50
    • 4
    • 6
    • 6
    • 5
    • 8
    • Q
    • A
    		105.00
    • ginger1969 won 337.50
    3785958332011-06-04 16:16:49330.00
    • Q
    • 4
    • 10
    • Q
    • 2
    		0.00
    • jaretzki won 330.00
    3785956972011-06-04 16:16:252030.00
    • 10
    • 8
    		30.00
    • ginger1969 won 2030.00
    3785955782011-06-04 16:16:03165.00
    • 4
    • J
    		0.00
    • eon1961 won 165.00
    3785955002011-06-04 16:15:46105.00
    • 2
    • 4
    		0.00
    • jaretzki won 105.00
    3785953552011-06-04 16:15:20112.50
    • 6
    • 5
    • K
    • 3
    • 4
    		15.00
    • ginger1969 won 112.50
    3785951932011-06-04 16:14:45446.25
    • 5
    • 7
    • 7
    • 8
    • K
    		120.00
    • eon1961 won 446.25
    3785951162011-06-04 16:14:27135.00
    • 10
    • 9
    		90.00
    • BURNShurtz won 135.00
    3785949782011-06-04 16:13:59131.25
    • 3
    • J
    • 9
    • 2
    • 9
    		0.00
    • eon1961 won 131.25
    3785948892011-06-04 16:13:39165.00
    • K
    • 3
    		120.00
    • BURNShurtz won 165.00
    3785947122011-06-04 16:13:0745.00
    • 9
    • J
    		0.00
    • ginger1969 won 45.00
    3785944792011-06-04 16:12:18135.00
    • Q
    • 8
    • 4
    • 10
    • 5
    		15.00
    • ginger1969 won 135.00
    3785944092011-06-04 16:12:0545.00
    • 8
    • A
    		30.00
    • BURNShurtz won 45.00
    3785942122011-06-04 16:11:29135.00
    • 9
    • 6
    • 6
    • 9
    • 5
    		0.00
    • eon1961 won 135.00
    3785940732011-06-04 16:11:04100.00
    • Q
    • 5
    • 8
    • 4
    • 6
    		0.00
    • eon1961 won 100.00
    3785939162011-06-04 16:10:33130.00
    • Q
    • J
    		100.00
    • BURNShurtz won 130.00
    3785938072011-06-04 16:10:13130.00
    • 9
    • Q
    		100.00
    • BURNShurtz won 130.00
    3785935322011-06-04 16:09:2250.00
    • 8
    • J
    • 6
    • 7
    • 10
    • 10
    • 9
    		10.00
    • ginger1969 won 50.00 with a Pair of 10s
    3785932372011-06-04 16:08:26450.00
    • A
    • K
    • 10
    • 3
    • 8
    • 6
    		60.00
    • ginger1969 won 450.00
    3785930012011-06-04 16:07:41460.00
    • A
    • K
    • 6
    • 2
    • 6
    • 8
    • 3
    		100.00
    • ginger1969 won 460.00
    3785929332011-06-04 16:07:2730.00
    • 8
    • A
    		0.00
    • eon1961 won 30.00
    3785927852011-06-04 16:07:01100.00
    • Q
    • J
    • 2
    • K
    • 9
    		0.00
    • Direwolf won 100.00
    3785926902011-06-04 16:06:4430.00
    • 8
    • 10
    		0.00
    • ginger1969 won 30.00
    3785924212011-06-04 16:05:5170.00
    • 7
    • 4
    • 7
    • 5
    • 3
    • 2
    • 5
    		10.00
    • jaretzki won 70.00 with a Pair of 5s
    3785922592011-06-04 16:05:22100.00
    • 8
    • Q
    		20.00
    • jaretzki won 100.00
    3785919892011-06-04 16:04:31140.00
    • 6
    • 5
    • 4
    • 7
    • K
    • 7
    • 3
    		0.00
    • eon1961 won 140.00 with a Two Pairs, Kings and 7s
    3785919152011-06-04 16:04:1930.00
    • 10
    • K
    		0.00
    • eon1961 won 30.00
    3785916652011-06-04 16:03:31380.00
    • J
    • 8
    • K
    • A
    • 3
    • 10
    • 4
    		0.00
    • Direwolf won 380.00 with a Pair of Aces
    3785915582011-06-04 16:03:1080.00
    • 3
    • 6
    		0.00
    • Direwolf won 80.00
    3785913872011-06-04 16:02:35262.50
    • 8
    • 8
    • 6
    • 4
    • 5
    		10.00
    • eon1961 won 262.50
    3785912822011-06-04 16:02:15130.00
    • 9
    • K
    		20.00
    • eon1961 won 130.00
    3785911412011-06-04 16:01:5080.00
    • 10
    • K
    		0.00
    • eon1961 won 80.00
    3785909452011-06-04 16:01:1830.00
    • 6
    • 3
    		0.00
    • eon1961 won 30.00
    when you get this much Cr AP in a tourney what chance have you got?
    what makes it worse is watching all the other players getting/catching cards to take bountys and chips all day long..
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  • MohicanMohican
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: luck =profit simple:
    £500 bounty Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance BURNShurtz Small blind   150.00 150.00 3045.00 Direwolf Big blind   300.00 450.00 1692.50   Your hole cards A K       ginger1969 Fold         painy12 Fold         chisel Call   300.00 750.00 5417.50 BURNShurtz Raise   750.00 1500.00 2295.00 Direwolf Fold         chisel Call   600.00 2100.00 4817.50 Flop     9 6 6       BURNShurtz Check         chisel Bet   1050.00 3150.00 3767.50 BURNShurtz All-in   2295.00 5445.00 0.00 chisel Call   1245.00 6690.00 2522.50 BURNShurtz Show A K       chisel Show K 9       Turn     J       River     3       chisel Win Two Pairs, 9s and 6s 6690.00   9212.50
    Posted by BURNShurtz
    Ten bbs with one limper,get it shoved All-in pre. As played,he's never folding to your raise pre as it's not big enough.
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: luck =profit simple:
    In Response to Re: luck =profit simple : Ten bbs with one limper,get it shoved All-in pre. As played,he's never folding to your raise pre as it's not big enough.
    Posted by Mohican
    should i just start shoving allin with any A????
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited June 2011
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    OldemH Small blind  100.00 100.00 12385.00
    BURNShurtz Big blind  200.00 300.00 5315.00
      Your hole cards
    • 10
    • 9
    		     
    OldemH Raise  900.00 1200.00 11485.00
    BURNShurtz Call  800.00 2000.00 4515.00
    Flop
       
    • 10
    • 5
    • 9
    		     
    BURNShurtz Bet  200.00 2200.00 4315.00
    OldemH All-in  11485.00 13685.00 0.00
    BURNShurtz All-in  4315.00 18000.00 0.00
    OldemH Unmatched bet  6970.00 11030.00 6970.00
    OldemH Show
    • J
    • Q
    		   
    BURNShurtz Show
    • 10
    • 9
    		   
    Turn
       
    • 7
    		     
    River
       
    • 8
    		     
    OldemH Win Straight to the Queen 11030.00  18000.00
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  • MohicanMohican
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: luck =profit simple:
    In Response to Re: luck =profit simple : should i just start shoving allin with any A????
    Posted by BURNShurtz
    Ten bb's and AK and a limper,I can't get all my chips in quick enough.
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  • MohicanMohican
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: luck =profit simple:
    Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance OldemH Small blind   100.00 100.00 12385.00 BURNShurtz Big blind   200.00 300.00 5315.00   Your hole cards 10 9       OldemH Raise   900.00 1200.00 11485.00 BURNShurtz Call   800.00 2000.00 4515.00 Flop     10 5 9       BURNShurtz Bet   200.00 2200.00 4315.00 OldemH All-in   11485.00 13685.00 0.00 BURNShurtz All-in   4315.00 18000.00 0.00 OldemH Unmatched bet   6970.00 11030.00 6970.00 OldemH Show J Q       BURNShurtz Show 10 9       Turn     7       River     8       OldemH Win Straight to the Queen 11030.00   18000.00
    Posted by BURNShurtz
    Heads up, flatting pre is not a bad option. But on the flop your bet of 200 is giving odds of 11/1 so if he's got a gut shot, he's actually got the odds to call.With an up and down straight draw he can easily call.He decides to bet his draw and takes your donk lead as weak, so he semi bluff shoves and you get your money in ahead.Just get unlucky that he outdraws you.If you bet 1/2 to 3/4 pot, he then knows a shoves is always gonna get called and he might lay it down. If he calls you have to shove turn.But by only betting 200 you given him the chance to make a move and hit his draw.So once again your play has allowed him to get to a position to outdraw you.Yes,it's a bit unlucky for him to hit, but he hasn't called and been fishing,he shoved his chips and you called,so he made his own luck.
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  • MohicanMohican
    edited June 2011
    You could have also checked to him on the flop with the intention of check raising if he c bets.
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: luck =profit simple:
    In Response to Re: luck =profit simple : Heads up, flatting pre is not a bad option. But on the flop your bet of 200 is giving odds of 11/1 so if he's got a gut shot, he's actually got the odds to call.With an up and down straight draw he can easily call.He decides to bet his draw and takes your donk lead as weak, so he semi bluff shoves and you get your money in ahead.Just get unlucky that he outdraws you.If you bet 1/2 to 3/4 pot, he then knows a shoves is always gonna get called and he might lay it down. If he calls you have to shove turn.But by only betting 200 you given him the chance to make a move and hit his draw.So once again your play has allowed him to get to a position to outdraw you.Yes,it's a bit unlucky for him to hit, but he hasn't called and been fishing,he shoved his chips and you called,so he made his own luck.
    Posted by Mohican
    once again you dont seem to understand my point. what odds they have or number of outs they have is not what im talking about. im just stating the fact that i get very unlucky in the tournys i play in, so he had 8 outs so if im right there were 37 cards that would not help him...so 8 outs vs 37 non outs. thing is if we spun the hand round and i had the up down vs 2 pair i wouldnt hit the card i needed. thats the whole point. 
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  • MohicanMohican
    edited June 2011
    You're trying to blame bad luck on all these hands but in some of the hands,your play has allowed them the option. 10bbs and a pp is always a shove or fold for me, same as Ak and 10bb's. Sometimes in poker you can play a hand perfect and still lose. You make your own luck sometimes but to continually blame bad luck for losing when your play could make a difference to the outcome of the hand is a leak in your game.
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  • LOL_RAISELOL_RAISE
    edited June 2011
    but in those tournaments that you had good cashes in you obviously did
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  • MohicanMohican
    edited June 2011
    LOL RAISE- are my assements of his play wide of the mark or not too far away from optimal?
    Burnshortz- please post a couple of these hands in the pokerclinic and see what the others have to say
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: luck =profit simple:
    You're trying to blame bad luck on all these hands but in some of the hands,your play has allowed them the option. 10bbs and a pp is always a shove or fold for me, same as Ak and 10bb's. Sometimes in poker you can play a hand perfect and still lose. You make your own luck sometimes but to continually blame bad luck for losing when your play could make a difference to the outcome of the hand is a leak in your game.
    Posted by Mohican
    what do you mean?? so you are saying that if i had just shoved with these hands and got called you think the cards would have come different to what they did otherwise?? i still dont get you, if you have 22 vs AK allin pre then the 22 is still ahead no matter which way you look at it.
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  • MohicanMohican
    edited June 2011
    Look at the AK hand again.If you had shoved there,the K9 isn't calling and you take down a pot uncontested.If you take a pot down uncontested,you're never going to be out drawn and lose. If he calls with K9 then you've got him dominated and then it's unlucky if he beats you. But as played, he got to see it relatively cheap because of your play and all the money went in with you behind. This what I'm am trying to get across to you, your play has had a direct outcome on the result of the hand,not bad luck. If you get it all in pre with AK vs 22 is as good a spot against a pp as you can get but you need to win races to stay in a tournament.That is the luck element of poker.
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  • MohicanMohican
    edited June 2011
    Post the AK hand in the poker clinic and see what others make of your play. I bet All-in pre gets mentioned alot.
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: luck =profit simple:
    Look at the AK hand again.If you had shoved there,the K9 isn't calling and you take down a pot uncontested.If you take a pot down uncontested,you're never going to be out drawn and lose. If he calls with K9 then you've got him dominated and then it's unlucky if he beats you. But as played, he got to see it relatively cheap because of your play and all the money went in with you behind. This what I'm am trying to get across to you, your play has had a direct outcome on the result of the hand,not bad luck. If you get it all in pre with AK vs 22 is as good a spot against a pp as you can get but you need to win races to stay in a tournament.That is the luck element of poker.
    Posted by Mohican
    yes and i could do with some.
    it dosent matter how a hand is played when you go allin you are either ahead or behind now if you go through the hands on here you will see that when i was ahead I LOST, when i was behind with outs I LOST. you still seem to have a hard time grasping that concept.

    and i do post hands in the clinic
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: luck =profit simple:
    but in those tournaments that you had good cashes in you obviously did
    Posted by LOL_RAISE
    yes allin 3 times, in 3 different tournys.
    2 i was knocked out and i did win a tourny but only my allin was the last hand played.
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: luck =profit simple:
    Post the AK hand in the poker clinic and see what others make of your play. I bet All-in pre gets mentioned alot.
    Posted by Mohican
    you seem to like talking about this hand, he could so easily be betting with nothing there. in you world do you make that call pre with K9????
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  • MohicanMohican
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: luck =profit simple:
    In Response to Re: luck =profit simple : you seem to like talking about this hand, he could so easily be betting with nothing there. in you world do you make that call pre with K9????
    Posted by BURNShurtz
    In my world,on the button in an unopened pot I'd be raising with K9.
    In my world ,Id be calling your small raise in position if I'd limped(I never limp on the buttonFTW)
    In my world, I'd be shoving with AK and 10bb's especially with a limper.
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