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Quiz: The Hand in Question
OK, my guess would be, Patrik Atonius, 2,2 ... and Kingofcards AJ/KJ ...
KOC raises a playable hand in position, patrick is sat with a pair, which 3 handed is v. strong... So a re-raise to show strength. KOC has position so wants to play along and see if he can pick up weakness.
Flop is a standard 3/4 pot Cbet ... called by KOC trying to induce another bet from patrik.. (this could be where my prediction is wrong as i would imagine a re-raise with KJ here)
Turn, Patrik gets lucky with his set and check raises KOC, who will of seen the 2 as a blank and still feels he is infront.
River, Neither player is really getting away here, if they felt they were infront before river then this card has effectivly increased the strength of both their hands.
Im probably miles off.. But would make sence the way it played out
KOC raises a playable hand in position, patrick is sat with a pair, which 3 handed is v. strong... So a re-raise to show strength. KOC has position so wants to play along and see if he can pick up weakness.
Flop is a standard 3/4 pot Cbet ... called by KOC trying to induce another bet from patrik.. (this could be where my prediction is wrong as i would imagine a re-raise with KJ here)
Turn, Patrik gets lucky with his set and check raises KOC, who will of seen the 2 as a blank and still feels he is infront.
River, Neither player is really getting away here, if they felt they were infront before river then this card has effectivly increased the strength of both their hands.
Im probably miles off.. But would make sence the way it played out
Comments
OK, I am going to post this hand as it seems to be making some ripples among the online community . Those of you who want to cheat can do so - it's out there for all to see - but it's not in the spirit of the exercise, so please don't!
The set-up is as follows. It's a three-handed cash game at the highest levels available. Patrik Antonius we all know: fearless, a great reader and a LOT of gamble in his blood.
The other player involved in the hand is someone called 'kingofcards'. His real name is Tom Marchese and he's an online pro who has fast risen up the ranks and is a young guy who has started playing at the nosebleed games quite recently. We don't know if he's 'taking a shot' or if he's managed to grind the roll required to play this level all of the time, but he's certainly a talented individual who's game is aggressive but smart.
Marchese is on the button and Antonius is the small blind.
Blinds are $500/$1000 and the stack sizes mean both players are effectively playing 245 BBs deep. Try to explain what you think both Antonius and kingofcards has on each street and why. It's a good exercise for practising your hand-reading abilities, although I will stress that this is high level stuff and so don't be surprised if the conclusion is a little startling.
Have fun!
The Hand in Question
Full Tilt Poker $500/$1000 No Limit Hold'em - 3 players
kingsofcards (BTN): $359377.00
Patrik Antonius (SB): $247512.00
POKERBLUFFS (BB): $44208.50
Pre Flop: ($1500.00)
kingsofcards raises to $2400, Patrik Antonius raises to $8200, 1 fold, kingsofcards calls $5800
Flop: ($17400.00) Jh 4c 6s (2 players)
Patrik Antonius bets $12000, kingsofcards calls $12000
Turn: ($41400.00) 2c (2 players)
Patrik Antonius checks, kingsofcards bets $28200, Patrik Antonius raises to $126000, kingsofcards requests TIME, kingsofcards calls $97800
River: ($293400.00) Jd (2 players)
Patrik Antonius checks, kingsofcards requests TIME, kingsofcards bets $213177 all in, Patrik Antonius requests TIME, Patrik Antonius calls $101312 all in
Final Pot: $496024.00
What does kingofcards have? How about Patrik Antonius?
Flop comes, standard continuation bet, flat by king which could maybe be medium pocket pair, and wants to see wot PA does on turn and wants to see if can take the pot away on a later street.
Turn brings second club which brings flush draw, and with PA check raising, my guess would be fd with two overs maybe aq, kq aj?
River pairs board, pat misses his fd and overs so checks. King feels now that the jak has hit he has the best hand with a medium pair, maybe 88, 77? I think he sees this as his chance to take the pot with a bet patrick cant call.
Patrick calls so that would mean he ad to have Ac jc?
The hand makes sense until river, then im completely guessing!!! when do we find out?
Pre-flop - I have Kings on any range and Patrick on AQ -A 10 or medium pockets up to JJ.
Flop - Jh 4c 6s. Patricks 12k bet to me says he has the higher end of this flop, prob a pair of Jacks (or a simple C bet). The smooth call from Kings could mean a float to counter the C bet from Patrick or he gambled pre flop with air, and has hit a 2 pair/ drawing kind of hand. Or in a very lucky case he has done what Ivey recommends and calls most raises with a small pocket pair (as long as the raise preflop isnt massive - and c.f. to their stacks it was not) so possible has trip 4/6.
Turn - 2c. check here from Patrick probably indicates he wants toslow down as Patrick is holding Top pair or possible pocket pair and doesnt put Kings on anything more than a draw. Patricks re raise over King says to me he wants to take this hand down now with a pair and feels Kings is weak. Kings Call will worry Patrick.
River - Jd. the check here from patrick could be a trap as he had hit trips. I'm putting Patrick on trip Jacks or complete air and Kings on 2 pair/ fulhouse
Think I got myself confused lol
It was only 3 after the bloke behind me goes all in
Tell me where did u come that weekend?
thats my guess, but probably completely wrong as there is obviously something spooky with the hand
Sorry I couldn't wait...
Checked it out online and it's sick. SICK!
I dont think words can define the sickness of this hand.
Trust me, I'm looking at my screen through a dredge of my own vomit as I type this, it's so sick.
Sick.
S I C K .
Unreal innit?!
kingsofcards shows 8c 5c(a pair of Jacks)
Patrik Antonius shows Tc Kc (a pair of Jacks)
Yes, Antonius called him with King high. Gross, eh? Mind you, thinking through the hand, it is a call which is logical as it is impressive. Let's take a look.
Preflop
OK, the major point here is that we're playing three-handed. Position is everything in poker and considering this is the only seat in a three-handed game that isn't posting a blind, it makes all the more sense to play it aggressively and with pretty much any two. This is precisely what KOC does, opening on the button for 2.4x the BB with a hand which has a lot going for it and plays well post-flop; it's suited, connected (well, quite connected for a 3-handed game!) and very deceptive after the flop.
Antonius is in the small blind with a hand he figures to be ahead of the button's range, and will try and find out if he's up against a major hand by reraising. Betting it up to $8.2k means the big blind is now being asked for $7.2k on a pot offering $11.6k - he's going to need a hand, which he doesn't in this instance. Back to the button.
Well, we know this is Patrik Antonius so he's aggressive and unlikely to be giving our opening raise too much credit. A call here seems reasonable, the pot laying him 11.6k for an extra 5.8k - exactly 2:1. With position and deception, the call seems entirely playable. How about re-raising? It's possible, but if you then get re-reraised, you've just gone and blown about $22k with eight high!
On the flop
So, Antonius has seen the button smooth call the re-raise. He might have a massive pair and be slowplaying, but it's more likely that he has a hand of some value but not a monster. The flop is pretty dry, J-4-6 rainbow. Having taken the lead pre-flop, Antonius makes a $12k continuation bet with his K-T. Continuation betting for the price of a car... must be nice!
KOC now thinks this flop is one of three things:
1) Of no relevance to Antonius' big made hand. If PA had an overpair, would he really lead here though? Most likely, but there's a suspicion he might check-raise, too.
2) Has helped PA's hand. Let's say he has something like QJ or KJ, making a top pair kind of hand. The bet is standard, but it's certainly the kind of hand we can float on the flop and then try and bluff him off it if a favourable turn card comes.
3) Missed PA by a country mile. He could have AK/AQ/KQ... he could have total gubbins. It's Patrik Antonius after all.
The call by KOC is basically looking to see how Antonius plays the turn, with the added benefit of having a sneaky little gutshot straight draw. If that hits AND PA has a hand, he'll get the lot.
On the turn
BIG card for KOC, considering he still doesn't have a pair. He now was a double-gutter straight draw and a flush draw, with any club, 3 or 7 making him a hand likely to be ahead of Antonius.
PA check-raises the turn, increasing the $28.2k bet by another $97.8k. After a dwell, KOC calls.
What hands can we eliminate from KOC's range? I would say any made hand. If he's got a Jack, overpair, two pair or set, he's lumping it in on the turn. Antonius has played this hand VERY strongly to this point, and you would think with any of those hands (bar perhaps QJ/JT) he will call the shove while we're ahead with two pair or similar. When KOC smooth calls, I think this sets off real alarm bells.
The river
The pot has $293k and PA is left facing a shove of $213k. What hands do we think KOC is shoving on the river that he WOULDN'T have shoved no the turn? Basically those which have just improved. The Jd is, in many ways, a perfect card. Antonius has taken a strong line here and the only hands which are putting their whole stack in here are AJ, perhaps weaker jacks, sets which became full houses on the river (44/66) or total air.
Nuts vs. air is the range and considering we think it was more likely the money would be shipped in on the turn against Patrik's strong looking hand, it leans s towards thinking it was a bluff. So long as it's not an ace high one...
One factor that helps him make the call is that he has check-raised most of his stack in on the turn. PA's only got $101k left on the river, and while that's a lot of money (just less than Tikay earns in an average weekend at DTD, allegedly), he's getting almost 4:1 on his money to 'pick off' a bluff. Call it is, and PA looks like a genius.
Of course, I would have folded, but do we see the logic to the hand? Is it something you agree with or is this all just nonsense. Sky Poker - over to you.
Dave