is this a good fold long term if you consider what notes you have on your opponent?

rentisdue

Hi. I know alot of players would say its a loss of value long term if you fold kings pre flop after being reraised,  but do you think that view would change if you had notes on a player saying he only ever reraises or shows real strength when he has the goods.

My thoughts on the hand were to wait until i was more certain and just let it go with a small loss.

By the way, i know this could be looked on as a brag but afterwards even though i know i was right this time i couldnt help thinking would it be a good thing long term doing this as we all know poker is one big picture and not just about the moment.

Ive only been playing poker for about 5 weeks but have watched alot of it on tv and so many times have seen players going broke because they couldnt fold kk pre etc.

Please dont be too brutal on me

Look forward to you thoughts. Rentisdue.


sorry if i muck up this post lol
HaHand History #378586313 (15:44 04/06/2011)PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalancexleex21Small blind £0.05£0.05£5.69ITIZIMEBig blind £0.10£0.15£52.48 Your hole cardsKK   jonh147Raise £0.30£0.45£14.26rentisdueRaise £1.10£1.55£22.97WillersFold    slattery05Fold    xleex21Call £1.05£2.60£4.64ITIZIMEFold    jonh147Raise £4.00£6.60£10.26rentisdueFold    xleex21All-in £4.64£11.24£0.00jonh147Call £1.44£12.68£8.82xleex21ShowQA   jonh147ShowAA   Flop  Q74   Turn  A   River  8   jonh147WinThree Aces£11.72 £20.54nd History #378586313 (15:44 04/06/2011)PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalancexleex21Small blind £0.05£0.05£5.69ITIZIMEBig blind £0.10£0.15£52.48 Your hole cardsKK   jonh147Raise £0.30£0.45£14.26rentisdueRaise £1.10£1.55£22.97WillersFold    slattery05Fold    xleex21Call £1.05£2.60£4.64ITIZIMEFold    jonh147Raise £4.00£6.60£10.26rentisdueFold    xleex21All-in £4.64£11.24£0.00jonh147Call £1.44£12.68£8.82xleex21ShowQA   jonh147ShowAA   Flop  Q74</

grantorino

never ever ever fold KK pre without a cast iron read, especially only about 50BB deep

rentisdue

In Response to Re: is this a good fold long term if you consider what notes you have on your opponent?:

never ever ever fold KK pre without a cast iron read, especially only about 50BB deep
Posted by grantorino

 

I missed off the hand history that i was over 100 bbs and opo was just under 100 bbs at time

grantorino

sorry, misread it thought it was 30NL. Still never folding without serious reads though

rentisdue

In Response to Re: is this a good fold long term if you consider what notes you have on your opponent?:

sorry, misread it thought it was 30NL. Still never folding without serious reads though
Posted by grantorino

ok m8 ty for your thoughts. that was my orig question though would you fold if you had the notes on the player that i had ? and do you think it would then be the correct decision long term under those conditions ?

grantorino

what notes do you have? How many hands have you played with villain

rentisdue

In Response to Re: is this a good fold long term if you consider what notes you have on your opponent?:

what notes do you have? How many hands have you played with villain
Posted by grantorino

hi m8. the notes i have on him are in my orig post and believe it or not i think today was the first day i think ive ever played v him so opprox 50 hands but he had played a hand earlier very carefulyl indeed when i thought any other player would have been more aggro in same situation and it told me the guy was very careful and not stupid etc. like i say i am new to the game so any thoughts are welcome and appreciated ty

AMYBR

Even against live regs its hard to fold K's pre.

As always its only really possible with layered betting pre, also with a 3rd party involved with the hand highlighting the strongest spot. 

Takes a lot of player knowledge but long haul its not really a profitable fold against a range of players.

DOHHHHHHH

If you fold KK pre, what %age of the time does the opponent have to have AA for it to be a good fold?

Taking into account also the times we will win the hand aipf w/KK v AA.

Does anyone know?

i.e how many times out of 100 are we allowed to get it wrong, for it to be right?

grantorino

your read that he played 1 hand passively after only seeing him for 50 hands is nowhere near strong enough to fold KK

rentisdue

In Response to Re: is this a good fold long term if you consider what notes you have on your opponent?:

your read that he played 1 hand passively after only seeing him for 50 hands is nowhere near strong enough to fold KK
Posted by grantorino

Ty for your thoughts guys and no doubt we will be meeting sometime on the tables so remember to be nice to me