playing heads up and i got told by the other player i was donk because of this hand is this a donks

jgn

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
bigandy18	Small blind		£0.05	£0.05	£12.46
jgn	Big blind		£0.10	£0.15	£18.00
	Your hole cards	J 10
bigandy18	Raise		£0.25	£0.40	£12.21
jgn	Raise		£0.80	£1.20	£17.20
bigandy18	Raise		£3.00	£4.20	£9.21
jgn	Call		£2.40	£6.60	£14.80
Flop
		6 3 7
jgn	Check
bigandy18	Bet		£6.60	£13.20	£2.61
jgn	All-in		£14.80	£28.00	£0.00
bigandy18	All-in		£2.61	£30.61	£0.00
jgn	Unmatched bet		£5.59	£25.02	£5.59
bigandy18	Show	9 9
jgn	Show	J 10
Turn
		A
River
		8
jgn	Win	Flush to the Ace	£24.32		£29.91

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tapeworm

Why care if he called you a donk?

Above my stakes but fwiw, I probably fold to the 4 bet pre. And on the flop if you were going to have shoved to a raise, you should have done it first. 

After oppos raise, you have to shove or fold due to oppos stack, but hes never going away so you are gambling with the shove. 

GREGHOGG

I dont like your play preflop tbh

You are calling a large 4 bet oop with only Jack High! I think this is a fold.

On the flop, you must go all in with the potential outs that you have and the amount in the pot. But i think your lucky that your J and 10 are both live.

Your not a donk, you just like a gamboool innit.

corn_rat22

i dont think its a donks play atall? the call pre flop wasn't overllly large, i mean 30x the blind is pretty huge if you think about it, but as it was a raise and a re raise, you were fine to see a flop, i understand why with nice flop-able hands like J-10S. His enitial 4 bet with 9's was a bet edgey but ah well, we all play the game differently, keep it up and GL



Corn

jgn

 the reason i called the 4 bet was the player was on SUPER TILT and j 10 suited can beat monster hands as we all no lol and the player did 3 bet alot and plus when i 3 bet he never folded hands like j 2 and 74 so i dont think the 4 bet was that strong.


cheers for comments guys

unknown_username

Given the info, i dont mind it. I dont think i call pre but as Gregghog says, if he has been doing it alot i might just go along with it. Flop play is ok IMO.

This probably sent the poor guy over the edge, hence the donk accusation. lol.

bigandy18

got it all back from you in the tourney though cheers champ

grantorino

lol at anyone thinking flatting an almost 4x 4bet oop with JTs is good 120BB deep. Pre is horrendous, once you flop this obv get it in.

jgn

In Response to Re: playing heads up and i got told by the other player i was donk because of this hand is this a donks play?:

got it all back from you in the tourney though cheers champ
Posted by bigandy18

well u fancy playing heads up again i would love 2 take more money off u and go on a higher level 50/1

percival09

don't like the call of the 4bet pre, you're just lucky you've caught any of the flop, he's only got around a pot size bet left and you'll have fold most flops.

not sure if i like your 3 bet either, totally depends on your 3betting range and how often you've been doing it, but i prefer flatting his raise pre, 3betting only gives you a difficult decision if he 4bets. once you've called his 4bet its completely standard, getting it in with 2 overs and 4 to the flush is fine. 

bigandy18

In Response to Re: playing heads up and i got told by the other player i was donk because of this hand is this a donks play?:

In Response to Re: playing heads up and i got told by the other player i was donk because of this hand is this a donks play? : well u fancy playing heads up again i would love 2 take more money off u and go on a higher level 50/1
Posted by jgn

Anytime, just out of interest you notice how many agree with me? just thought i'd point that out

tapeworm

Oh oh oh - can i rail pleeeeeeease. i like this ten paces at dawn malarky

jgn

In Response to Re: playing heads up and i got told by the other player i was donk because of this hand is this a donks play?:

don't like the call of the 4bet pre, you're just lucky you've caught any of the flop, he's only got around a pot size bet left and you'll have fold most flops. not sure if i like your 3 bet either, totally depends on your 3betting range and how often you've been doing it, but i prefer flatting his raise pre, 3betting only gives you a difficult decision if he 4bets. once you've called his 4bet its completely standard, getting it in with 2 overs and 4 to the flush is fine. 
Posted by percival09

i disgree with 3 bet part if u dont 3 bet with these hand heads up you will get owned calling the 4 bet is not a bad play yes its risky but we all no suited connectors can beat monster hands.

jgn

In Response to Re: playing heads up and i got told by the other player i was donk because of this hand is this a donks play?:

lol at anyone thinking flatting an almost 4x 4bet oop with JTs is good 120BB deep. Pre is horrendous, once you flop this obv get it in.
Posted by grantorino

i knew i was behind but i hoped to hit a flop like that. 

jgn

In Response to Re: playing heads up and i got told by the other player i was donk because of this hand is this a donks play?:

In Response to Re: playing heads up and i got told by the other player i was donk because of this hand is this a donks play? : Anytime, just out of interest you notice how many agree with me? just thought i'd point that out
Posted by bigandy18

so in your perspective what did i do wrong and u was calling 3 bets with j 2 so u cant say much 

percival09

LOL! I take it you're one of these that don't listen to advice. 

Like i said, it depends on your 3-betting range and how often you've been doing it, I don't mind it, but I just prefer flatting with a hand like that.

But there is no two ways about it, calling a 4-bet with those stacks is v.bad play, you're losing so much money in the long term 'hoping to hit a flop like that'. But w.e don't listen

jgn

In Response to Re: playing heads up and i got told by the other player i was donk because of this hand is this a donks play?:

LOL! I take it you're one of these that don't listen to advice.  Like i said, it depends on your 3-betting range and how often you've been doing it, I don't mind it, but I just prefer flatting with a hand like that. But there is no two ways about it, calling a 4-bet with those stacks is v.bad play, you're losing so much money in the long term 'hoping to hit a flop like that'. But w.e don't listen
Posted by percival09

i do listen i do agree i could of flatted but  tbh im miles of hes first bet most of the time i think people look at this and  play it like the book says and tbh i dont play the book.

grantorino

OP, please explain

Why is this villain going to own you if you dont 3bet JTs?
What do you think his 4bet range is?

You have nowhere near the implied odds to flat the 4bet with JTs. You have hit one of the best flops for you and you are still often behind and have very little fold equity

Personally I prob wouldnt 3bet oop with JTs against this kind of villain, I think we end up in all sorts of awkward spots. I would prefer call and play flop with more chips behind

bigandy18

In Response to Re: playing heads up and i got told by the other player i was donk because of this hand is this a donks play?:

LOL! I take it you're one of these that don't listen to advice.  Like i said, it depends on your 3-betting range and how often you've been doing it, I don't mind it, but I just prefer flatting with a hand like that. But there is no two ways about it, calling a 4-bet with those stacks is v.bad play, you're losing so much money in the long term 'hoping to hit a flop like that'. But w.e don't listen
Posted by percival09

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