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Am i Playing MTTS badley?!!

edited June 2011 in The Poker Clinic

In alot of MTTs latley ive built up a decent stack only to find myself busting out usually between 50-20th,
should i be playing tight at this stage or go for the win and risk busting out like i have been doing? THS

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  • edited June 2011
    Ill send you a pm tonight.



    HITSQUAD FOREVER!
  • edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: Am i Playing MTTS badley?!!:
    Ill send you a pm tonight. HITSQUAD FOREVER!
    Posted by YOUNG_GUN
    Cheers young gun any tips would be greatfuly recived, as i feel need to make changes to my game if im gona push on in tourneys.
  • edited June 2011
    i dont get it everytime i make a big tourney i aways go out with some1 having a bigger pocket pair eveytime  what are the odds that sky can keep doing this to me has i know its not how i play them and i would like to go out some other way then sky fixing so the higher pair win or the bigger stack wins for hitting trips
  • edited June 2011
    Thats a new one coleman i think you should check out area 51 you would fit in :P
  • edited June 2011
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    Thats a new one coleman i think you should check out area 51 you would fit in :P
    Posted by YOUNG_GUN
    its just been a frustrating week ive made the big tourneys and twice last week i had pocket kk to some1 having aa went out a big tourney the other day to having qq to some1 having kk i just went out a tourney a min ago to me having 1o1o to some1 having qq
  • edited June 2011
    Difficult call to make without seeing hands. However tightening up around the bubble is usually good although keep an eye on chip stacks and the leaderboard as positions / spots can open up.

    At the same time you have to ensure that your stack does not dwindle down into the ones that your looking to move on.

    Remember by making top 50 in the opens you have defeated 80% of the field and the remaining 20% are either good or lucky or good and lucky. The moves that have got you thus far may not be good enough to use at this higher level. If your looking to raise a hand you should be prepared to shove it if neccessary against a lower stack that shows aggression or fold it to raises that your unhappy with contending.

    Just some thoughts from me feel free to ignore them though
  • edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: Am i Playing MTTS badley?!!:
    Difficult call to make without seeing hands. However tightening up around the bubble is usually good although keep an eye on chip stacks and the leaderboard as positions / spots can open up. At the same time you have to ensure that your stack does not dwindle down into the ones that your looking to move on. Remember by making top 50 in the opens you have defeated 80% of the field and the remaining 20% are either good or lucky or good and lucky. The moves that have got you thus far may not be good enough to use at this higher level. If your looking to raise a hand you should be prepared to shove it if neccessary against a lower stack that shows aggression or fold it to raises that your unhappy with contending. Just some thoughts from me feel free to ignore them though
    Posted by aiken2001
    really this is when im at my most aggressive.
  • edited June 2011
    + 1 Don i get more aggro around the bubble best way
  • edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: Am i Playing MTTS badley?!!:
    Difficult call to make without seeing hands. However tightening up around the bubble is usually good although keep an eye on chip stacks and the leaderboard as positions / spots can open up. At the same time you have to ensure that your stack does not dwindle down into the ones that your looking to move on. Remember by making top 50 in the opens you have defeated 80% of the field and the remaining 20% are either good or lucky or good and lucky. The moves that have got you thus far may not be good enough to use at this higher level. If your looking to raise a hand you should be prepared to shove it if neccessary against a lower stack that shows aggression or fold it to raises that your unhappy with contending. Just some thoughts from me feel free to ignore them though
    Posted by aiken2001
    thanks for the advice will keep it it mind thanks
  • edited June 2011
    i personally just fall asleep as soon as i get my double up then wake up about half hour later and get another double up :)
  • edited June 2011
    1st DTD thing last night.
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    DOHHHHHHH Small blind  15.00 15.00 4060.00
    1243 Big blind  30.00 45.00 3987.50
      Your hole cards
    • K
    • Q
         
    QPR76 Fold     
    peacock10 Raise  90.00 135.00 5430.00
    brian1262 Call  90.00 225.00 6837.50
    yidette9 Call  90.00 315.00 4715.00
    DOHHHHHHH Raise  420.00 735.00 3640.00
    1243 Fold     
    peacock10 Fold     
    brian1262 Call  345.00 1080.00 6492.50
    yidette9 Fold     
    Flop
       
    • 5
    • 3
    • 2
         
    DOHHHHHHH Bet  780.00 1860.00 2860.00
    brian1262 Call  780.00 2640.00 5712.50
    Turn
       
    • 3
         
    DOHHHHHHH All-in  2860.00 5500.00 0.00
    brian1262 Call  2860.00 8360.00 2852.50
    DOHHHHHHH Show
    • K
    • Q
       
    brian1262 Show
    • A
    • J
       
    River
       
    • 4
         
    brian1262 Win Straight to the 5 8360.00  11212.50
  • edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: Am i Playing MTTS badley?!!:
    Difficult call to make without seeing hands. However tightening up around the bubble is usually good although keep an eye on chip stacks and the leaderboard as positions / spots can open up. At the same time you have to ensure that your stack does not dwindle down into the ones that your looking to move on. Remember by making top 50 in the opens you have defeated 80% of the field and the remaining 20% are either good or lucky or good and lucky. The moves that have got you thus far may not be good enough to use at this higher level. If your looking to raise a hand you should be prepared to shove it if neccessary against a lower stack that shows aggression or fold it to raises that your unhappy with contending. Just some thoughts from me feel free to ignore them though
    Posted by aiken2001
    cheers will keep that in mind see if it can improve my results
  • edited June 2011
    Nitting up on the bubble is not the best of moves unless the min cash makes a significant change to your bankroll, in most cases it shouldnt but there will always be 1/2/3 players on the table that want to make the min cash so its best to target these players with a wider range then usual as they will fold most hands apart from the obvious premium pairs.

     nitting up on the bubble will affect you more then help you as on sky the bubble can last sometimes for long periods of times and will start to take large chunks of your stack you will notice going from an above average stack and have a decent chance in going deep to literally just making the cash then being in shove or fold mode which is what you dont want. as i said there is always going to be a couple players that are looking to secure that min cash, apply the pressure on them dont let them get there easy
  • edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: Am i Playing MTTS badley?!!:
    i dont get it everytime i make a big tourney i aways go out with some1 having a bigger pocket pair eveytime  what are the odds that sky can keep doing this to me has i know its not how i play them and i would like to go out some other way then sky fixing so the higher pair win or the bigger stack wins for hitting trips
    Posted by coleman125
    why do you have to hijack someone's serious question with a stupid sky is fixed comment.

    the op has posted in an attempt to improve his game....if you did the same your reults may improve

    gl,dave
  • edited June 2011
    In Response to Am i Playing MTTS badley?!!:
    In alot of MTTs latley ive built up a decent stack only to find myself busting out usually between 50-20th, should i be playing tight at this stage or go for the win and risk busting out like i have been doing? THS
    Posted by BARBIE59
    you dont say how big the tourney field is?

    50/20 regular in the main event is pretty good going

    50/20 in a 60 player mtt is rubbish :).

    i prefer to keep pushing on untill it gets to the higher end so bigger payout,
    then you can get mean and keep the pressure on any small stacks.i.e raising them all in with hands from kq upwards as they ill call with a lesser hand or fold to try and ladder(sometimes you walk into a monster but you wont get busted)

    gl,dave
  • edited June 2011
    On behalf of myself and other players who have enjoyed being given your chips i'd say there is nothing wrong with the way you are playing and there is no need to change anything.

    You know it makes sense.

    ;-)
  • edited June 2011
    In Response to Am i Playing MTTS badley?!!:
    In alot of MTTs latley ive built up a decent stack only to find myself busting out usually between 50-20th, should i be playing tight at this stage or go for the win and risk busting out like i have been doing? THS
    Posted by BARBIE59
    how can you waste my chips like that after you did me with a/a 4/4/4/ against my trip aces, that`s it your not going to get any more chips off me again lol 
  • edited June 2011
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    In Response to Am i Playing MTTS badley?!! : you dont say how big the tourney field is? 50/20 regular in the main event is pretty good going 50/20 in a 60 player mtt is rubbish :). i prefer to keep pushing on untill it gets to the higher end so bigger payout, then you can get mean and keep the pressure on any small stacks.i.e raising them all in with hands from kq upwards as they ill call with a lesser hand or fold to try and ladder(sometimes you walk into a monster but you wont get busted) gl,dave
    Posted by DAVEYZZ
    it` was last nite dtd with around 140 per tournie
  • edited June 2011
    In Response to Am i Playing MTTS badley?!!:
    In alot of MTTs latley ive built up a decent stack only to find myself busting out usually between 50-20th, should i be playing tight at this stage or go for the win and risk busting out like i have been doing? THS
    Posted by BARBIE59
    Hi barbie im a mtt regular here on sky, i'd like to give you one or two tips im sure however young gun will give you a few more in his private message to you (please share young gun lol). Anyhow, don't focus on what place you're currently in but how many big blinds your stack has left. If you find AK and you have a 10,000 stack and blinds are 100/200 well you have 50 big blinds. If someone is giving you action in a pre flop you might be inclined to re raise or shove putting them all in with your hand.

    But do you really need to make this play? Your opponent has for arguments sake a 3000 stack one third of yours. With so much yet to play in the tournament there's no real need for you to be aggressive here. I believe it was Eyman who once said in a blog you can tilt even when you're doing well in an MTT and you should be wary of this. I see many chip leaders trying to win it too soon in spots like this and they lose half their stacks to flips or just bad beated with their AK. So the tip here is don't get committed when you don't really need to.

    Work around the concept of being aggressive around 20 big blinds or 10 if you're desperate. Don't panic if you're seeing what was your one time highest stack in the tournament becoming an average one. Around the time you're getting busted there's still plenty more time left in the tournament so always look for a better spot and make folds you don't necessarily have to keep flipping to progress. Raise pre flop slightly instead of shoving or limping pre these tips help to keep your stack size healthy.

    Therefore you should be playing tight at this stage and being selective with your hands.

    I  have to go work now but i hope this helped.
  • edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: Am i Playing MTTS badley?!!:
    In Response to Am i Playing MTTS badley?!! : you dont say how big the tourney field is? 50/20 regular in the main event is pretty good going 50/20 in a 60 player mtt is rubbish :). i prefer to keep pushing on untill it gets to the higher end so bigger payout, then you can get mean and keep the pressure on any small stacks.i.e raising them all in with hands from kq upwards as they ill call with a lesser hand or fold to try and ladder(sometimes you walk into a monster but you wont get busted) gl,dave
    Posted by DAVEYZZ
    ya daveyzz, been in the DTD games and TSP classics mainly same thing night after night, some good stuff posted here so hopefuly this will help my game cheers all who posted helpfull coments, see ya at the tables
  • edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: Am i Playing MTTS badley?!!:
    On behalf of myself and other players who have enjoyed being given your chips i'd say there is nothing wrong with the way you are playing and there is no need to change anything. You know it makes sense. ;-)
    Posted by achill
    Thats the last time achill  lol
  • edited June 2011
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    In Response to Am i Playing MTTS badley?!! : how can you waste my chips like that after you did me with a/a 4/4/4/ against my trip aces, that`s it your not going to get any more chips off me again lol 
    Posted by spornybol
    Ya that was a bit of a cooler for ya, i lost them set over set so pretty hard to get away from that at best of times no matter what stage of tourny hey
  • edited June 2011
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    In Response to Am i Playing MTTS badley?!! : Hi barbie im a mtt regular here on sky, i'd like to give you one or two tips im sure however young gun will give you a few more in his private message to you (please share young gun lol). Anyhow, don't focus on what place you're currently in but how many big blinds your stack has left. If you find AK and you have a 10,000 stack and blinds are 100/200 well you have 50 big blinds. If someone is giving you action in a pre flop you might be inclined to re raise or shove putting them all in with your hand. But do you really need to make this play? Your opponent has for arguments sake a 3000 stack one third of yours. With so much yet to play in the tournament there's no real need for you to be aggressive here. I believe it was Eyman who once said in a blog you can tilt even when you're doing well in an MTT and you should be wary of this. I see many chip leaders trying to win it too soon in spots like this and they lose half their stacks to flips or just bad beated with their AK. So the tip here is don't get committed when you don't really need to. Work around the concept of being aggressive around 20 big blinds or 10 if you're desperate. Don't panic if you're seeing what was your one time highest stack in the tournament becoming an average one. Around the time you're getting busted there's still plenty more time left in the tournament so always look for a better spot and make folds you don't necessarily have to keep flipping to progress. Raise pre flop slightly instead of shoving or limping pre these tips help to keep your stack size healthy. Therefore you should be playing tight at this stage and being selective with your hands. I  have to go work now but i hope this helped.
    Posted by 4fingersAA
    Thanks 4fingers, some good stuff to keep in mind i do find myself getting pot committed if a raise aganist a smaller stack sometimes coz it ant to much more to call off if they push, so ill give more thought to the spots i play, cheers
  • edited June 2011
    Hi Barbie,
    good advice from 4fingersAA wil add my bit to it
    Sounds a bit like you are often getting all your chips in and racing in the mid stage of a tourney.
    If you get all in ahead 3 times eg AK V AQ then you will normally exit the tourney as you will lose once out of every three times ie 70-30 favourite 3 times out of 10 you will get outdrawn.
    Try to maintain your chip stack on or around the average stack for the MTT at all times difficult to do all the time but remember the average stack is higher than you think as some players will have a lot more than the average at this stage making your chip stack relatively higher (hope that makes sense lol).
    If you can get to the money with an average chip stack then you will always be in the running
    Yes its great when you have a huge stack and can use that to push people around but a lot of the time you will bust out trying to get a big stack. In an MTT the key to success is to avoid racing for your stack whenever possible especially pre flop you should be looking to chip up rather than double up.
    As for near the bubble well it depends on your table as a rule stay away from big stacks and desperate short stacks if possible try and get chips off players with mid stacks who are treading water its amazing how many players tighten up and blind off a good stack just to min cash
    hope that helps
  • edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: Am i Playing MTTS badley?!!:
    Hi Barbie, good advice from 4fingersAA wil add my bit to it Sounds a bit like you are often getting all your chips in and racing in the mid stage of a tourney. If you get all in ahead 3 times eg AK V AQ then you will normally exit the tourney as you will lose once out of every three times ie 70-30 favourite 3 times out of 10 you will get outdrawn. Try to maintain your chip stack on or around the average stack for the MTT at all times difficult to do all the time but remember the average stack is higher than you think as some players will have a lot more than the average at this stage making your chip stack relatively higher (hope that makes sense lol). If you can get to the money with an average chip stack then you will always be in the running Yes its great when you have a huge stack and can use that to push people around but a lot of the time you will bust out trying to get a big stack. In an MTT the key to success is to avoid racing for your stack whenever possible especially pre flop you should be looking to chip up rather than double up. As for near the bubble well it depends on your table as a rule stay away from big stacks and desperate short stacks if possible try and get chips off players with mid stacks who are treading water its amazing how many players tighten up and blind off a good stack just to min cash hope that helps
    Posted by gixxerk4
    chip up rather then double, like it,  ya can see your point best to get chips slowly rather race for a big pot which ur gona lose at times even with the best hand, nice one for the advice gixxerk
  • edited June 2011

    Im not sure how anyone can advise you how to adjust your game when you have given no info on your game. You may be doing fine, MTTs are swingy you can go ages without cashing, you need a lot of luck to win any individual mtt.

    Dont tighten up near bubble, get more aggro. Look for the nits looking to mincash and bully them

    As for avoiding getting it in with AK against AQ etc, not getting involved when someone raises and you hold AK it seems pretty stupid to me. There are not too many tourneys you can just keep a healthy stack time by just "chipping up", you are going to have to get it in when you think you have the best of it/ pot odds to do so and hope your luck holds up.

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