can i get off this hand on the flop or pre or do i have to go broke

danny101

Rich69	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£2.30
shire40	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£1.52
	Your hole cards	10 10
scrogie	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£9.21
danny101	Raise		£0.12	£0.22	£3.30
DOC_56	Call		£0.12	£0.34	£4.27
shirley02	Fold
Rich69	Fold
shire40	Raise		£0.48	£0.82	£1.04
scrogie	Fold
danny101	Call		£0.40	£1.22	£2.90
DOC_56	Call		£0.40	£1.62	£3.87
Flop
		3 5 5
shire40	All-in		£1.04	£2.66	£0.00
danny101	Call		£1.04	£3.70	£1.86
DOC_56	Call		£1.04	£4.74	£2.83
Turn
		4
danny101	Check
DOC_56	Check
River
		10
danny101	All-in		£1.86	£6.60	£0.00
DOC_56	Fold
danny101	Unmatched bet		£1.86	£4.74	£1.86
shire40	Show	J J
danny101	Show	10 10
danny101	Win	Full House, 10s and 5s

Dudeskin8

Raise to 24p pre.

When shire reraises you shove all in.

Also you didn't go broke.....lolz

danny101

i only never lost because i got lucky on the river but the flop was so good for pocket 10s

The_Don90

In Response to Re: can i get off this hand on the flop or pre or do i have to go broke:

i only never lost because i got lucky on the river but the flop was so good for pocket 10s
Posted by danny101

where u ever going broke v the jacks?

danny101

not broke but you know what i mean do i have to do my stack there

danny101

i got abused by another player who werent in the hand for calling pre then calling his shove on the flop

jakally

You aren't deep enough to  play 10's postflop, so either shove or fold preflop.

If he only 3 bets AA-JJ and AK then it's a fold (he calls this range always to a shove and we need about 43% equity versus his range which we aren't getting).

If you can add 99 and AQ to his range for doing this then it's about break even.

If he's any wider than this (i.e. he gets funky with a lot of different hands preflop) then it's a snap jam.

Unless it's against a real niit I get 10's in all day in this spot.

grantorino

its fine against a shorty I prob just get it in pre

corn_rat22

In Response to Re: can i get off this hand on the flop or pre or do i have to go broke:

Raise to 24p pre. When shire reraises you shove all in. Also you didn't go broke.....lolz
Posted by Dudeskin8

Why would he make it 6x pre?
if the other Villain didnt have JJ he would get no action and just take it down pre then your just losing all value for a big hand?

AMYBR

That is not an especially good flop for 10's at that level in a 3bet pot called 4ways IMO.

Dudeskin8

In Response to Re: can i get off this hand on the flop or pre or do i have to go broke:

In Response to Re: can i get off this hand on the flop or pre or do i have to go broke : Why would he make it 6x pre? if the other Villain didnt have JJ he would get no action and just take it down pre then your just losing all value for a big hand?
Posted by corn_rat22

This is 4NL and from what I've experianced playing by the normal rules of making it 3x + 1 bb for every limper danny work down here.

My standard open is 5x + 1 bb and seems to work quite well.

grantorino

dudeskin, what do you mean by your raise size works?

leon621

i dont think your pre flop play is too bad but i think your post flop play is very poor. Surely the only reason you would not raise the shove is because you believe your behind and just hoping you hit.

Dudeskin8

In Response to Re: can i get off this hand on the flop or pre or do i have to go broke:

dudeskin, what do you mean by your raise size works?
Posted by grantorino

It seems to be the limit to what many players are prepared with calling preflop, a little more and they fold too often, a little less and they call too much. Just about getting a good balance really.

grantorino

why dont you want them to call too much?