Is this always a shove?

CLIOKID

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
granty07	Small blind		£0.25	£0.25	£75.20
gazspeedy	Big blind		£0.50	£0.75	£22.78
	Your hole cards	8 8
DOC9	Raise		£1.00	£1.75	£39.60
CLIOKID	Call		£1.00	£2.75	£75.76
maude10	Raise		£2.50	£5.25	£91.18
BIGSHANN	Fold
granty07	Fold
gazspeedy	Call		£2.00	£7.25	£20.78
DOC9	Call		£1.50	£8.75	£38.10
CLIOKID	Call		£1.50	£10.25	£74.26
Flop
		Q 8 7
gazspeedy	Check
DOC9	Check
CLIOKID	Bet		£4.00	£14.25	£70.26
maude10	Call		£4.00	£18.25	£87.18
gazspeedy	Call		£4.00	£22.25	£16.78
DOC9	Call		£4.00	£26.25	£34.10
Turn
		A
gazspeedy	Check
DOC9	Check
CLIOKID	Bet		£12.00	£38.25	£58.26
maude10	Raise		£24.00	£62.25	£63.18

CLIOKID

Villain had bought in for a tenner and was running like god, had hit quads twice in two orbits and also stuck it in miles behind for a massive outdraw to get stack the size it was.

Do I just stick it in right away? Do I try to milk it? Do I worry at all that I'm beat?

BigBluster

The only hand that's beating you that he could possibly have is QQ (he would have raised on the flop with AA). If he has QQ then there's nothing you can do about it, you've just got to pay him off.

Min re-raise to re-e-e-eel him in.

Action_Dan

If they're slow playing set of Queens then good luck to them and it's just one of those hands...I'm not giving them credit for Aces as I'd expect them to raise that flop so for me, it's either Ace Queen or thinking they're invincible after running so good, called with Ace King hoping to take it away on the turn or after hitting, believes they've gone into the lead...either way I'm shipping my stack into the middle and happy whether they call or not!

BlackFish3

No he could have AA buster everything is possible dont just discard possible hands. Only AA and QQ beat you shove you get called, he might well have 2 pair... nice pot

CLIOKID

Anyway, I did what I think most people would have and shipped it in.

He insta'd with QQ as you would and I lost a £165 pot on 25/50p.

I know I'm always going to lose a big pot here but do I need to lose my whole stack?

BlackFish3

Thats very unlucky. Its not a question of whether or not you need to lose your whole stack its more about maximising your winnings so getting it all in here was correct... long term.

Sky_Dave

You're not flatting the turn, you have the third nuts, it's cold but it's got to go in. Personally, I think the A is a tremendous card for you most of the time, getting hands like AQ to stack off with 4 outs and one card to come. 

Cold deck, nowt to do about it I am afraid apart from take it on the poker chin.