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Check/fold, check/call or bet/call/shove?

Dudeskin8Dudeskin8
edited July 2011 in The Poker Clinic
4 tablling so no reads so just slots in station catorgory
MRENT121 Small blind   £0.02 £0.02 £4.13
BillyWiz68 Big blind   £0.04 £0.06 £2.65
  Your hole cards
  • Q
  • K
     
Dudeskin8 Raise   £0.20 £0.26 £5.68
X Call   £0.20 £0.46 £3.92
griff603 Fold        
LOOPYLOO Fold        
MRENT121 Fold        
BillyWiz68 Fold        
Flop
   
  • 7
  • 6
  • Q
     
Dudeskin8 Bet   £0.35 £0.81 £5.33
X Call   £0.35 £1.16 £3.57
Turn
   
  • 9
     
Dudeskin8 Bet   £0.87 £2.03 £4.46
X Call   £0.87 £2.90 £2.70
River
   
  • 5
     
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  • AMYBRAMYBR
    edited July 2011
    Very tricky based on stck/pot sizes.  I'm likely checking and hoping for a check back.  Wouldnt be hugely surprised to see a set or 10Q.

    Likely c/f to big bet.  As hand plays its very difficult to put him on anything youre beating, bar a weaker Q that doesnt improve.
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
    edited July 2011

    Stick a blocker out there, he can call with alot of worse hands at this level, but his freaky 2 pair hands might be reluctant to raise a bet with the 1 card str8 out there, but may well value bet if checked, so you name the price.

    85 pence.

    I'd like to think I could bet fold, but I always bet/call it off.....

    But bet/fold 85pish, despite his stack, if he raises I don't think you're ever good.
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  • corn_rat22corn_rat22
    edited July 2011
    shoveeeeeeeeeee river.
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  • pod1pod1
    edited July 2011
    bet a pound,  next pleeez!
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  • debdobs_67debdobs_67
    edited July 2011
    Quid sounds bout right and still call off anything else then stick villain in ure notes,next pleeease ;)
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
    edited July 2011

    If you're betting to then call if he shoves, surely you're better off just shovinf yourself as he has less than the pot left?

    Maybe just shoving is right I dunno.
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  • debdobs_67debdobs_67
    edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: Check/fold, check/call or bet/call/shove?:
    If you're betting to then call if he shoves, surely you're better off just shovinf yourself as he has less than the pot left? Maybe just shoving is right I dunno.
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    Im hoping the villain only calls the quid ;) but yeah suppose a shove may make villian fold xx
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  • Patching99Patching99
    edited July 2011
    Sucky position, I think its a bet fold.... but then I'm not sticking in 50bbs in with top pair good kicker against unkown to fold either so probably call off a raise then hit something then go to write note only for them to leave get the tilty error message then hit something else....
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  • percival09percival09
    edited July 2011
    thin value
    villain really could have a v.wide range here
    think i probably c/f as weak as it is
    surely he wouldn't bet a Q, just hope it goes check check
    if you bet you're basically committed to calling it all off if he shoves

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  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG
    edited July 2011
    looks like a bet fold to me in general, but at 4nl, im prob just shoving tbh.
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8
    edited July 2011
    Well it was a frustrating river but I reckoned he probably calls with Q10/J and also he could have missed a draw (yes I know most draws got there) but I couldn't think what 8 he could have...

    Overall he's called flop with bottom pair no kicker, then turn getting bad odds (i.e. I win long term), but on river I'm wondering if the shove is -VE over time? This spot doesn't happen every hand but I just want to squeeze any possible leaks out.
    River
       
    • 5
    		     
    Dudeskin8 Bet   £2.90 £5.80 £1.56
    X All-in   £2.70 £8.50 £0.00
    Dudeskin8 Unmatched bet   £0.20 £8.30 £1.76
    Dudeskin8 Show
    • Q
    • K
    		     
    X Show
    • 8
    • 6
    		     
    X Win Straight to the 9 £7.67   £7.67
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  • percival09percival09
    edited July 2011
    really don't think that bet is profitable at all
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8
    edited July 2011
    This is why it can be profitible lolz
    cowboyking Small blind   £0.02 £0.02 £1.60
    X Big blind   £0.04 £0.06 £4.33
      Your hole cards
    • Q
    • A
    		     
    gavin1961 Fold        
    Dudeskin8 Raise   £0.20 £0.26 £4.09
    voodoo1 Fold        
    cowboyking Fold        
    X Call   £0.16 £0.42 £4.17
    Flop
       
    • Q
    • 6
    • 7
    		     
    X Check        
    Dudeskin8 Bet   £0.32 £0.74 £3.77
    X Call   £0.32 £1.06 £3.85
    Turn
       
    • 10
    		     
    X Check        
    Dudeskin8 Bet   £0.84 £1.90 £2.93
    X Call   £0.84 £2.74 £3.01
    River
       
    • 6
    		     
    X Check        
    Dudeskin8 Bet   £2.06 £4.80 £0.87
    X Call   £2.06 £6.86 £0.95
    Dudeskin8 Show
    • Q
    • A
    		     
    X Muck
    • 10
    • A
    		     
    Dudeskin8 Win Two Pairs, Queens and 6s £6.34   £7.21
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  • AMYBRAMYBR
    edited July 2011
    If your not planning on b/f or c/f its fine
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  • grantorinograntorino
    edited July 2011

    Your hand is much stronger on 2nd board

    On hand you were asking about I would b/f 1/2 pot. I dont care what pot odds you get if he raises you are toast, but he prob calls with whatever he calls flop and turn with. Problem is a good percentage of those improved. c/c seems bad readless, seems close between b/f and c/f to me. 

    As regards what 8 he can have at 4nl who knows? but prob 98, 87, 86s maybe T8s in general against semi bad players. He can also have some  2pair hands

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