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A OPEN FORUM DISCUSSION ON AN AMNESTY FOR THE BANNED SKYPOKER PLAYERS

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  • JockBMWJockBMW
    edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: A OPEN FORUM DISCUSSION ON AN AMNESTY FOR THE BANNED SKYPOKER PLAYERS:
    Machka - oh mod of reason and geekiness xxx You are of course correct; this would be near impossible to implement.  But this shouldn't preclude a discussion as to the merits of revoking bans.  Of particular interest with respect to Neildown, was his lack of an avenue to express regret or retract.  This is something that *some* mods do avail themselves of, even if it is by deleting their offending post.  What a luxury to have.
    Posted by RogueCell

    it"s been a while since I became a  Mod, so I can't remember.  Do individual forum members not have the ability to delete their own, threads / Posts?

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  • DTWBANDITDTWBANDIT
    edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: A OPEN FORUM DISCUSSION ON AN AMNESTY FOR THE BANNED SKYPOKER PLAYERS:
    In Response to Re: A OPEN FORUM DISCUSSION ON AN AMNESTY FOR THE BANNED SKYPOKER PLAYERS : Hawk-eye and DRS ftw ;) Lets get a committee of forumers, community mods, and sky poker officials to sit on a panel and interview the banned players, who would have to requeat a hearing if they want their community privalidges back.  The forumites would be responsible/respected people, such as the Irishman, who will put their own reputation on the line if they believe the banned player is worthy of another chance. Obv the mods/officials will also have to be convinced, and it will be a zero tolerance policy if any serious infringement is made. ---------------------------- IRISHROVER : N eildown , your files say you've served 4 days of a life sentence. Do you feel you've been rehabilitated?  ND : Rehabilitated? Well, now let me see. You know, I don't have any idea what that means.   IRISHROVER : Well, it means that you're ready to rejoin the forum.....   ND : I know what *you* think it means, sonny. To me it's just a made up word. A politician's word, so young fellas like yourself can wear a suit and a tie, and have a job. What do you really want to know? Am I sorry for what I did?   IRISHROVER : Well, are you?   ND : There's not a day goes by I don't feel regret. Not because I'm in here, or because you think I should. I look back on the way I was then: a young, stupid kid who committed that terrible crime. I want to talk to him. I want to try and talk some sense to him, tell him the way things are. But I can't. That kid's long gone and this old man is all that's left. I got to live with that. Rehabilitated? It's just a bullsh^^ word. So you go on and stamp your form, sonny, and stop wasting my time. Because to tell you the truth, I don't give a sh**. 
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH

      ShawShank Redemption comes to mind
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  • JockBMWJockBMW
    edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: A OPEN FORUM DISCUSSION ON AN AMNESTY FOR THE BANNED SKYPOKER PLAYERS:
    In Response to Re: A OPEN FORUM DISCUSSION ON AN AMNESTY FOR THE BANNED SKYPOKER PLAYERS : + 1 Tommy, always the sensible voice of reason!! Maybe not the thread for individual cases, so excuse this, BUT, but my knowledge of Emilyeggs ban was that it was an official 6-month ban which he was serving, which on asking for confirmation, was informed it was now a life ban for no apparent reason !! this obviously prompted further argument!! I THINK SOME SORT OF TRANSPARENT APPEAL PROCEEDURE SHOULD BE IN PLACE!! OR WE MAY KEEP LOSING HUMOUROUS & VALUBLE CONTRIBUTORS TO THE FORUM LIKE... EMILYEGG & NEILDOWN & OTHERS!! Surley the measure of a successful forum or business is how efficiently it can police itself & solve the problems that WILL occur without them escalating further!!
    Posted by HITMAN_RV

    Hi Hitman,

    First of all I'd like to make it clear that , my following comments are not directed at the individuals you make reference to in your post.  Neither as a Sky Poker Player or as a Sky Mod, do I have the right or inclination to make comments regarding individuals on the open forum.

    The point I'd like to make relates to the your comment about individuals being " HUMOUROUS & VALUBLE CONTRIBUTORS TO THE FORUM "  It may well be that one person thinks an individual is humorous whilst another will find the same individual offensive in the extreme.  Here in lies the rub.  it is an opinion a judgement.  Machka made an excellent point when he said, how would an individual feel if someone he had been "abused" by or "offended" by continues to be on the tables with him.

    The way we get around this is by warning individuals regarding, what they may see as humour or banter.  Except in extreme situations, anyone who has been banned has been warned about aspects of their behaviour,  usually several times before they are banned.  They have been given time and chances to amend their behaviour, if they choose to ignore these warnings then they will be banned, no matter how much of a contribution they may have made in other regards to the community.  

    This can be frustrating to everyone, you can't really put numbers on it but I'll do it just to show what I'm trying to get at.  Any individual who is a useful member of the forum 99% of the time but  has a tendency to be abusive 1% of the time has to go in my opinion.  I stress this is just an opinion, the forum Mods do not have the power to ban anyone ( nor would we want it ).

    You will probably see people counter my points with "this is an adult site, people here are all grown up and should be able to deal with it"  Rubbish,  this is a Poker site that has been created to let people play and enjoy all aspects of Poker, not just the game itself but the interactive side of speaking and discussing topics with like minded people.  Sky has a duty to make sure that all members of this forum can come on and be able to use the forum without having to "tolerate" abusive behaviour of any form.

    Anyway, I hope I have made my point clearly and once again Hitman I am not making reference to the individuals you mentioned in your post, but am talking from a general point of view 

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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: A OPEN FORUM DISCUSSION ON AN AMNESTY FOR THE BANNED SKYPOKER PLAYERS:
    In Response to Re: A OPEN FORUM DISCUSSION ON AN AMNESTY FOR THE BANNED SKYPOKER PLAYERS : it"s been a while since I became a  Mod, so I can't remember.  Do individual forum members not have the ability to delete their own, threads / Posts?
    Posted by JockBMW


    Yes their posts, but not the ability to remove whole threads when it suits them not to leave any evidence behind. 

    Total abuse of power.

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  • spornybolspornybol
    edited July 2011
    i agree we as forum members should have a say, i remember when donut64 was being berated by another player and the whole off the community backed up donut64 up by having a go at other player saying he/she was out off order and should say sorry unfortunatly this player would not back down and got a ban unfortunatly it got to donut64 and he self excluded himself for 6months
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  • harding10harding10
    edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: A OPEN FORUM DISCUSSION ON AN AMNESTY FOR THE BANNED SKYPOKER PLAYERS:
    An Interesting Discussion topic as always Denis, The banning of players from the forum is a Sky decision and one that is not taken lightly.  In all cases the person involved will have received warnings over his, or her, future conduct before they are banned, they will have chosen to ignore those warnings.  In addition the rules governing the conduct of forum members are there in black and white for all to see.   If a person choses to ignore, firstly the rules and secondly, warnings from Sky, I'm not sure what good it will do to let them back to the forum,  they will probably behave for a while and then revert to their old ways.  But I suppose everyone deserves a second chance. As I said, an interesting discussion topic,  weather it will have any result is up to Sky
    Posted by JockBMW
    As I've said before, I mod on non-poker forum and Jock's post is pretty much the way it happens on there. Some people will respond to requests to stick within rules, others either ignore requests or seem to take it as a challenge. We never ban any long term member without a lot of thought, because it provokes exactly the same reactions as it does on here. On this other site we do warn via pm, but something is also posted on the forum itself so that other members know who and why the mods are trying to reign in. I wouldn't want to be a mod on here!

    As moderators, you probably find that a very small percentage of the forum contributors take up 100% of any moderation required, and sometimes you have to draw a line in the sand and say 'no more'.

    The argument runs that we're all adults so swearing shouldn't be an issue. But Sky make it quite plain that it is a family site throughout the Sky umbrella, and as we're all adults we need to understand this. 
     
    I'm absolutely not refering to any individual case, because I've not seen what any player on here has been banned for because all the posts get removed.
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  • EyemanEyeman
    edited July 2011
    I hear you, Jock, and agree to a large extent. Everyone in the playground laughs when the unpopular kids gets beaten up....apart from the unpopular kid.

    I think what people would prefer to see is transparency. I see no reason why, when someone is warned about their behaviour, that can't be recorded within the forum (people charged with crimes play out the events in public), likewise for those that become full bans. That way we'd be able to shake our heads knowingly and say, "they had it coming to them."

    I'd also like to see the bans being slightly more moderate - a life ban really should only be for extreme abuse (beyond fraud etc). People do change and mature, in society we recognise this, yes on a muckabout forum, we take the view that once a person proves to be a mindless idiot, they will always be a mindless idiot. Why would that be?

    Having served a ban, that individual should consider themselves "out on licence", so they can be re-banned (permanently) for the first offence. We don't need that sort of fool here.
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  • EyemanEyeman
    edited July 2011
    Whilst we've touched on the subject of language, something really should be done about the language in the chat on sky.

    Everyone knows you can get round the **** by joiningwordstogether, or separ ating th em. And there's some very starnge words that are banned (I'm not sure if they will show up here)

    Forest
    Fix

    Seem to be 2 unnecessary ones. If I want to tell a mate I went to fix me car today, it looks like I might be having carnal knowledge of my motor vehicle in the chat box!
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  • IRISHROVERIRISHROVER
    edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: A OPEN FORUM DISCUSSION ON AN AMNESTY FOR THE BANNED SKYPOKER PLAYERS:
    In Response to Re: A OPEN FORUM DISCUSSION ON AN AMNESTY FOR THE BANNED SKYPOKER PLAYERS : Hawk-eye and DRS ftw ;) Lets get a committee of forumers, community mods, and sky poker officials to sit on a panel and interview the banned players, who would have to requeat a hearing if they want their community privalidges back.  The forumites would be responsible/respected people, such as the Irishman, who will put their own reputation on the line if they believe the banned player is worthy of another chance. Obv the mods/officials will also have to be convinced, and it will be a zero tolerance policy if any serious infringement is made. ---------------------------- IRISHROVER : N eildown , your files say you've served 4 days of a life sentence. Do you feel you've been rehabilitated?  ND : Rehabilitated? Well, now let me see. You know, I don't have any idea what that means.   IRISHROVER : Well, it means that you're ready to rejoin the forum.....   ND : I know what *you* think it means, sonny. To me it's just a made up word. A politician's word, so young fellas like yourself can wear a suit and a tie, and have a job. What do you really want to know? Am I sorry for what I did?   IRISHROVER : Well, are you?   ND : There's not a day goes by I don't feel regret. Not because I'm in here, or because you think I should. I look back on the way I was then: a young, stupid kid who committed that terrible crime. I want to talk to him. I want to try and talk some sense to him, tell him the way things are. But I can't. That kid's long gone and this old man is all that's left. I got to live with that. Rehabilitated? It's just a bullsh^^ word. So you go on and stamp your form, sonny, and stop wasting my time. Because to tell you the truth, I don't give a sh**. 
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH

    lol at this doh ,
    i remember a night on here awhile back ,
    you yourself went on forum tilt .
    I & hoggers calmed you down that night via pm .
    After this you backed tracked and delted posts .

    something similar hapened myself another night and elsadog
    came to my rescue .

    Geting to my point ,
    even do mods do a great job ,
    sometimes they cant get trough to the player ,
    we all make mistakes ,
    i think before a forum  ban is put in place ,
    it should be noted in forum that such a player is
    about to cross that line .
    A yellow card as such,
     but let it be known,
    so forum peeps & now team forum peeps can help out .
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  • IRISHROVERIRISHROVER
    edited July 2011


     A lot of good ideas and points so far guys/gals .
     Its great this thread is still open &
     the manner in which its discussed is civil .

     Fingers crossed ,
    some of the very good  ideas but forward will  be  implemented.

    DEN.
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  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG
    edited July 2011

    We all make mistakes in life.

    I probably make a different one every day.

    I was chat banned once, where i made an error of judgement, but I was not intentionally abusive and I proved this, so I appealed through the correct channels and it got rescinded within a few days. (although those days were hell lol)

    Sky Poker are more than happy to consider individual cases, and when people are banned they can appeal and explain. Or just take it on the chin, its up to them.

    I don't agree with this amnesty idea. If people want their privileges reinstated they need to appeal to Sky Poker directly, maybe a private apology and explanation for their behaviour, and they would get their privileges back.

    I know some people think Sky Poker are the baddies here. They really are not imo. They make mistakes, but so do we. All it takes is a common sense approach by all parties and things can get resolved.

    Of course, i find some people who have been banned funny, I was a strong supporter of bringing Mickjenn back because he brought fun and laughter to this community. I posted support for him many times. But I have now learnt that the only reason he isnt back is down to him entirley, so I have no sympathy.

    So no to an amnesty, and yes to common sense.

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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
    edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: A OPEN FORUM DISCUSSION ON AN AMNESTY FOR THE BANNED SKYPOKER PLAYERS:
    We all make mistakes in life. I probably make a different one every day.
    Posted by GREGHOGG
    Should have ended the post here, wise words.
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  • leon621leon621
    edited July 2011
    i have noticed that alot of people on both sides are saying that things like racism should result in immediate bans. People on both sides have stated that one mans joke is another mans abuse. Sky have also stated that disguising swearing is not acceptable and can and should result in a ban.

    I would like to know what the suits at SKYPOKER would do if there employees were seen doing this.

    The reason i make this point is iv seen Orford disguise swearing and tikay make tounge and cheek racial jokes. Someone has recently made a very aggresive complaint to the community about Tikay's racial jokes and this player was berated by Sky staff and the community telling him to get a sence of humour. Yet now when discussing bans racial tounge and cheek jokes are seen as a negative.

    So again what would SKYPOKER do about its employees doing some of the things they use as there arguments for banning people.
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  • SolarCarroSolarCarro
    edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: A OPEN FORUM DISCUSSION ON AN AMNESTY FOR THE BANNED SKYPOKER PLAYERS:
      A lot of good ideas and points so far guys/gals .  Its great this thread is still open &  the manner in which its discussed is civil .  Fingers crossed , some of the very good  ideas but forward will  be  implemented. DEN.
    Posted by IRISHROVER

    Ooh was that a compiment to the mods????? ;)
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  • TommyDTommyD
    edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: A OPEN FORUM DISCUSSION ON AN AMNESTY FOR THE BANNED SKYPOKER PLAYERS:
    i have noticed that alot of people on both sides are saying that things like racism should result in immediate bans. People on both sides have stated that one mans joke is another mans abuse. Sky have also stated that disguising swearing is not acceptable and can and should result in a ban. I would like to know what the suits at SKYPOKER would do if there employees were seen doing this. The reason i make this point is iv seen Orford disguise swearing and tikay make tounge and cheek racial jokes. Someone has recently made a very aggresive complaint to the community about Tikay's racial jokes and this player was berated by Sky staff and the community telling him to get a sence of humour. Yet now when discussing bans racial tounge and cheek jokes are seen as a negative. So again what would SKYPOKER do about its employees doing some of the things they use as there arguments for banning people.
    Posted by leon621
    I find this comment misleading.  The comment was about Essex, I do not think his can be classified as racial.  The player in question was criticised because of the manner and tone of his thread, not the comments he was making.

    You know, it's amazing what you can get through if you a intelligent, clearly tongue in cheek and not crude.  Good writing works wonders.  As does good presenting.

    Also I think we know the precedent if a Sky Employee makes a racist or sexist comment or if they swear on air, they disappear and then get a job on TalkSport.  I quote the cases of Marsh, Mason (R.I.P.), Gray and Keyes
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  • leon621leon621
    edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: A OPEN FORUM DISCUSSION ON AN AMNESTY FOR THE BANNED SKYPOKER PLAYERS:
    In Response to Re: A OPEN FORUM DISCUSSION ON AN AMNESTY FOR THE BANNED SKYPOKER PLAYERS : I find this comment misleading.  The comment was about Essex, I do not think his can be classified as racial.  The player in question was criticised because of the manner and tone of his thread, not the comments he was making. You know, it's amazing what you can get through if you a intelligent, clearly tongue in cheek and not crude.  Good writing works wonders.  As does good presenting. Also I think we know the precedent if a Sky Employee makes a racist or sexist comment or if they swear on air, they disappear and then get a job on TalkSport.  I quote the cases of Marsh, Mason (R.I.P.), Gray and Keyes
    Posted by TommyD
    to be honest tommy i have never been offended by anything i have seen on the TV and my two favorite presenters are Orford & TK for the banta.  Im just making the point that if SKYPOKER are using racism and swearing as a key argument for banning people then they really should have a strict policy for thier employees.  When you say making a joke about essex is not racial you are actually politically correct in saying that, however i can slate every white person just for being white and politically im not being racist as the majority of people in the country are white british, but that does'nt mean its right for me to do so. Im not sure if the essex post is still in the forum but if you go through it there are just as many people berating the post for the player in question not having a sense of humour as there were people asking him to conduct himself in a more appropriate manner (i did notice you were one of the good ones trying to help him).  Also the thing about Keyes and Gray is that they are on a much more popular channel aimed at thousands more so therefore the number of complaints multiply's a great deal.

    if i copy and paste a caption contest winning joke can you please tell me if it is acceptable for an employee of SKYPOKER to award this as the winner as i was deeply offended by it and i complained 3 times so far and i have never had a response,

    The winner of this week's Caption Contest is; ********* for the comment:

    Sir Alex Ferguson gets into the festive spirit by giving away free goodies to the immigrants of greater manchester.

    Congratulations, you now have free entry into tonight's Take on Tikay tournament at 8:30pm.

    Good luck!

    now i have been called every racist thing you could think off, i have drew blood and have put someone in hospital through being called an immigrant, so i really dont find this sort of thing funny especially when the photo had no connection to football or immigrants.
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