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Moral dilema vs a losing friend, dont know what the right thing was, help?
Had a really weird night tonight. Lost £1400 in bookies so wasnt feeling great, then went to local cash game, at £1/£2.
Got to be honest, dont have my usual obsessive compulsive memory on the night as was pretty drunk, but bought in for 200, got 4 handed, I was 7oo ish. Not a lot happening, ppl leave I end up Heads up with a friend. Goes back and forth but without sounding like a doche, no matter what he's dealt, the money is coming to me.
Casino says last hand. He raises my blind (blind on blind HU he has K's). I call with 26h, he is easily bet off most boards. I end up floppng 4 to flush, turning gut shot, rivering gutshot sraight (23456) where I commit him following his large opening bet on a K high board for top set.
He'd offered to go back to his for drinks and 6 £100 hu S+g's, which I figured wouldnt be serious money for either of us. When he contemplates the action on river he states that if Ive coolered him again (which I had been frequently) he'd be going off in a huff, meaning no furthar action after casino closed. I ended up giving him the info he needed to muck.
Anyway, back to his house.
I proceed to take him apart for £100 a game HU, easy money. I said am happy to play for social aspect for a pound, but he maintained he needed something to aim at. Insisting on going from £100 to £200 to £400, me winning all 6 games. But enjoying it not at all as he wwas clearly so miserable losing.
I asked him to stop numerous times,but he insisted on playing for more, not being arrogant, but he was simply outclassed, only able to win on a pure cooler that never arrived.
So at what point do you stop taking a friends money?
I refused to play any more in end, offerimg to have a lads night out, meal and beers on me trying to equalise it. But the guy doesnt really understand poker and I felt sooooooo bad.
He thinks he knows how to play, I wanted to teach him how to be better all round, but didnt want to come off as conceited. What to do???? Felt so bad taking all his cash
Got to be honest, dont have my usual obsessive compulsive memory on the night as was pretty drunk, but bought in for 200, got 4 handed, I was 7oo ish. Not a lot happening, ppl leave I end up Heads up with a friend. Goes back and forth but without sounding like a doche, no matter what he's dealt, the money is coming to me.
Casino says last hand. He raises my blind (blind on blind HU he has K's). I call with 26h, he is easily bet off most boards. I end up floppng 4 to flush, turning gut shot, rivering gutshot sraight (23456) where I commit him following his large opening bet on a K high board for top set.
He'd offered to go back to his for drinks and 6 £100 hu S+g's, which I figured wouldnt be serious money for either of us. When he contemplates the action on river he states that if Ive coolered him again (which I had been frequently) he'd be going off in a huff, meaning no furthar action after casino closed. I ended up giving him the info he needed to muck.
Anyway, back to his house.
I proceed to take him apart for £100 a game HU, easy money. I said am happy to play for social aspect for a pound, but he maintained he needed something to aim at. Insisting on going from £100 to £200 to £400, me winning all 6 games. But enjoying it not at all as he wwas clearly so miserable losing.
I asked him to stop numerous times,but he insisted on playing for more, not being arrogant, but he was simply outclassed, only able to win on a pure cooler that never arrived.
So at what point do you stop taking a friends money?
I refused to play any more in end, offerimg to have a lads night out, meal and beers on me trying to equalise it. But the guy doesnt really understand poker and I felt sooooooo bad.
He thinks he knows how to play, I wanted to teach him how to be better all round, but didnt want to come off as conceited. What to do???? Felt so bad taking all his cash
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I refused the offer saying that id rather lose fighting in a hand v a friend than lose by playing like a complete fish. He understood and went onto bubble that tournament. He still claims he feels guilty as he rekons id have done better with the stack and in different spots. But i maintain there is no grudge.
I hope you and your mate ar all cool.
best adivice. If personals are going to come into it. I wouldnt play
if you feel that bad just treat them on their birthday or something, and if you want to help him with his game just bring up poker in conversation and just give your views of how you like to play or even ask him about his style and his opinions, up to him whether he takes heed to advice or not
is it possible that your friend is showing poor principles by seeing you drunk and then urging you to gamble for longer and for larger stakes?
if he wanted to play you because he knew u were drunk and thought he could get your cash then take every penny he has and teach him a lesson..the only mistake you really made that night was the bookies,speaking of someone that spends most of my time in there and never loses money,they are not good places to be
The guy is a pure gambler, he must have wonn around £500 on horses on daytime, then donked it off on sky cash while I was there, just stacking off on spots where pot control was clearly the right approach.
He has been a serious poker player for years, but is clueless to his flaws in the main, really is one of the easiest people I've played live.
I felt especially bas as between casino cash table and his house I just about recouped the stupid money i'd lost in bookies, so in a way I guess I did take advantage of him, by not stopping earlier.
But if someones that insistent on playing................
Best advice you can give your friend is not to chase lost money.
On a lighter note, could you PM me with your friends contact details, so that I can arrange a game
I dont know ur age but i can assure you that if you wind up with 4/5 good friends in life you are doing really well.
Your question - at what point do you stop taking a friends money, the answer is simple you should never do it. wether you have done ur b*ll*x on the GG's or not dont look to gamble for cash with friends.
you should have given him all his money back and insisted he takes this as a lesson in poker & friendship!
I totally get him not wanting to stop and raising the stakes he wants to get even ffs! Thats human nature.
Gambling with mates is very difficult, for myself i tend to make gambles for dinner and drinks on a friday or matchday football tickets or similar something you both get pleasure from.
You should have friends you mutually do anything for and friends that you just always gamble with, if he is one of the latter then you have to take no prisoners but it sounds like hes not!
GL with ur poker and keep away from the horses its a mugs game.
He kept limping in sb v my bb so naturally i raised every time he folded then again had about 4-5 limpers im in bb with 8/2 i accidentally raise big pot like 1.2k i raise to 4k totally unintententionally and my dad called oops, flop 10xx, again cos the misclick pre he checks so i bet 3k, with about 8k behind he calls, turn 2 i actually thought he could have small part of board which he wont let go or he could have ace high so again he checks i bet 4k leaving about 4k on river goes all in on turn river 2 and i had taken 75% of his chips.
I felt really guilty but he was like well at least we have more chance of cashing now, i did say before we went if any of us play each other play your normal game as you cant not play against each other. Ironically enough it was only my mistake the whole tourney and came 2nd (thin brag only 29 runners) and of course i bought him dinner afterwards and tried giving him some money which he wouldnt take.
FWIW Ian i'm 30. I had toyed with the idea of giving him the money back, I think your likely right and it wouldnt be a bad idea. The friends well into his forties and has been playing consistently for at least 20 years so I mostly figured it was fair game. But I had such a significant advantage over him it did seem to be slightly immoral.
This is an odd spot for me as I'm not especially strong HU, my game being more suited to a full table. So its not a situation I've really got into before.
He doesnt fall into that close circle of friends, more a sociable pal.
I like the idea of wagering a meal or evening out though, as either way your going to have a follow up good night away from the table as a result.
DOH, lost it by being an utter plonker. I mainly handle a lot of cash with playing live cash 3/4 nights a week. Went in with a little over £800, nipped into bank for the extra. Wasnt even the gee gee's, my personality is so addictive I am very hesitant to branch out into other areas of "gambling". It was the other evil one. (BJ and roulette medium stakes). Am going to tattoo my eyelids "STOP PLAYING BJ AND ROULETTE".
i AM VERY VERY DUMB.
He only would accept half though which was nice, then we went for a beer and indian. In pub bumped into a local reg who I'd been chasing for the £250 he owed from months back which he coughed up as soon as he saw me.
KARMA.
xx
GL