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Can we "chat" about the SLEEPER in DYMs?

edited July 2011 in Poker Chat
I would guess or assume that in a live game - with an empty seat - it would be open season (and chat would take place) on the Sleeper's chipstack. I have just been in a £3 DYM where the 3rd place player bravely (or by accident) sat out and got paid without playing a single hand. Whilst I appreciate this is within the rules - is it within the rules for other players to acknowledge there is a sleeper and play their hands accordingly - or would this be collusion?
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  • edited July 2011
    In Response to Can we "chat" about the SLEEPER in DYMs?:
    I would guess or assume that in a live game - with an empty seat - it would be open season (and chat would take place) on the Sleeper's chipstack. I have just been in a £3 DYM where the 3rd place player bravely (or by accident) sat out and got paid without playing a single hand. Whilst I appreciate this is within the rules - is it within the rules for other players to acknowledge there is a sleeper and play their hands accordingly - or would this be collusion?
    Posted by imber
    Hi imber

    If it was written in the chatbox, it could be seen as collusion.
  • edited July 2011
    Depends on how it was said in the chat really.

    If a player simply wrote "The Player is Away" then this would be ok imo
    But
    If the Player wrote "The Player is Away Steal His Blinds" and other players agree, then this could be seen as collusion.

    Most players already notice if a player is away and Blind him out without having to say anything in the chat and there is nothing wrong with that, but if they acknowledge or make some kind of agreement then they would be at risk of collusion. 
  • edited July 2011
    Sleeper is actually a very good DYM player!!

    He has this amazing tactic of lulling eveyone in a false sense of security, by sitting out, then when the blinds actually mean something, he wakes up with AA in the BB, just as 2 unsuspecting victims are fighting over who steals the blinds!!

    The Timer is runnin down on his action, BOOM!!!!! he is all in,.......... and chipped up to Cash!!

    He manages to play under different names on a regular basis anD should be always reported to customer care!!

    Beware The Sleeper!!
  • edited July 2011
    I was doing my level 6 Mad Irish rover challange last night, and we had a sleeper.  Down to 4 players, just let anyone steal his blinds and we all cash.  The big stack doesn't get the message and raises every pot.  Why???  Even when going to showdown with the sleeper, he ensured he raised sufficient to put everyone all in, meaning only himself and the sleeper went to showdown, therefore prolonging the game.  I wouldn't have minded, but he turns over hands like 53 off.  Surely this is collusion with the sleeper?  Luckily I had sufficient chips to see it out, but the shortstack at the table made it through by the skin of his teeth when Johnny Bigstacks once again isolated the sleeper and turned over 6 high, with the sleeper had 4 high.

    Your thoughts please
  • edited July 2011
    Its my money and i can play however i wish ;) xxx
  • edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: Can we "chat" about the SLEEPER in DYMs?:
    Sleeper is actually a very good DYM player!! He has this amazing tactic of lulling eveyone in a false sense of security, by sitting out, then when the blinds actually mean something, he wakes up with AA in the BB, just as 2 unsuspecting victims are fighting over who steals the blinds!! The Timer is runnin down on his action, BOOM!!!!! he is all in,.......... and chipped up to Cash!! He manages to play under different names on a regular basis anD should be always reported to customer care!! Beware The Sleeper!!
    Posted by HITMAN_RV
    lol m8 great post as always
  • edited July 2011

    hate the dead guy at the table, dont really see a reason for it. waste of money in most games. i play a game at alea every sunday and if there`s a no show the blinds come off them every hand after level 3, that soon gets rid lol

                                  RAB :0))))
  • edited July 2011
    A sleeper is annoying in dyms, i dm sitting out a cpl of levels when the blinds are low but why sit out all game if ur there, either ur on a table to play or not, dyms fill up rather quickly so i assume his there.

    with 4 left im straight on the chat box telling everyone to blind him out, if that done wake him up, then he shuddnt of joined the room ;-).
  • edited July 2011

    Fell asleep at a live cash table once.

  • edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: Can we "chat" about the SLEEPER in DYMs?:
    A sleeper is annoying in dyms, i dm sitting out a cpl of levels when the blinds are low but why sit out all game if ur there, either ur on a table to play or not, dyms fill up rather quickly so i assume his there. with 4 left im straight on the chat box telling everyone to blind him out, if that done wake him up, then he shuddnt of joined the room ;-).
    Posted by Crunchybob
    thats collusion and is against the rules afaik
  • edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: Can we "chat" about the SLEEPER in DYMs?:
    In Response to Re: Can we "chat" about the SLEEPER in DYMs? : thats collusion and is against the rules afaik
    Posted by grantorino
    Can you collude against somebody who,s not there????
  • edited July 2011
    yes , you dont need him to collude. Also he may be there and just have opted to sit out.
  • edited July 2011
    In Response to Can we "chat" about the SLEEPER in DYMs?:
    I would guess or assume that in a live game - with an empty seat - it would be open season (and chat would take place) on the Sleeper's chipstack. I have just been in a £3 DYM where the 3rd place player bravely (or by accident) sat out and got paid without playing a single hand. Whilst I appreciate this is within the rules - is it within the rules for other players to acknowledge there is a sleeper and play their hands accordingly - or would this be collusion?
    Posted by imber
    would love to be a sleeper in a game will be the only time i get a dream hand 
  • edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: Can we "chat" about the SLEEPER in DYMs?:
    In Response to Re: Can we "chat" about the SLEEPER in DYMs? : thats collusion and is against the rules afaik
    Posted by grantorino


    id rather cash by playing poker, than sitting there doing nothing. i think its wrong ppl join a table and then dont play, especially in a dym which fills up quickly so they must b there, if it was a live game they wudnt be allowed
  • edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: Can we "chat" about the SLEEPER in DYMs?:
    In Response to Re: Can we "chat" about the SLEEPER in DYMs? : id rather cash by playing poker, than sitting there doing nothing. i think its wrong ppl join a table and then dont play, especially in a dym which fills up quickly so they must b there, if it was a live game they wudnt be allowed
    Posted by Crunchybob
    "Away" players are an absolute dream to have in DYMs. Instead of having to come 3/6 you effectively have to come 3/5. Think about what that does to your edge in the long run in games where the edges are so small generally. I don't understand how anyone can have a problem playing someone who isn't there.
  • edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: Can we "chat" about the SLEEPER in DYMs?:
    In Response to Re: Can we "chat" about the SLEEPER in DYMs? : "Away" players are an absolute dream to have in DYMs. Instead of having to come 3/6 you effectively have to come 3/5. Think about what that does to your edge in the long run in games where the edges are so small generally. I don't understand how anyone can have a problem playing someone who isn't there.
    Posted by JohnConnor
    Massive +1 , as you say it IS indeed effectively 3/5 xx
  • edited July 2011
    You only have to come 3/5 if the 'sleeper' blinds out...what happens when its to final four..do u carry on playing at the risk of 1/3 that are playing dont cash, or do u tell them to let the 'sleeper' blind out so u all cash...ino what i do and i dont class it as 'colluding'..colluding is 2 ppl sitting at same table telling each other what cards they have.
  • edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: Can we "chat" about the SLEEPER in DYMs?:
    In Response to Re: Can we "chat" about the SLEEPER in DYMs? : "Away" players are an absolute dream to have in DYMs. Instead of having to come 3/6 you effectively have to come 3/5. Think about what that does to your edge in the long run in games where the edges are so small generally. I don't understand how anyone can have a problem playing someone who isn't there.
    Posted by JohnConnor
    this is spot on! how people can moan about away players if you cant beat someone not there then poker isnt the game for you
  • edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: Can we "chat" about the SLEEPER in DYMs?:
    You only have to come 3/5 if the 'sleeper' blinds out...what happens when its to final four..do u carry on playing at the risk of 1/3 that are playing dont cash, or do u tell them to let the 'sleeper' blind out so u all cash...ino what i do and i dont class it as 'colluding'..colluding is 2 ppl sitting at same table telling each other what cards they have.
    Posted by Crunchybob
    Your idea of collusion is different to what collusion actually is.

    If you're happy conducting yourself in your own way, that's fine, but it's against the rules of the game, and the site, and you could, should, and will eventually be punished if you continue to do it.

    It's a grey area, and it's very naive to assume that exchanging hole cards is the only way that people can collude.

    What about chip dumping? Soft playing someone? Avoiding pots with another player? Consistantly giving walks to a short stack? 

    Cards are irrelevant in all the above scenarios. 

    Anyway I hope this thread is a wake up call, and if you continue to play dyms, you read up on the rules and become farmiliar with what is, and is not acceptable.

    I'm sure the players in your games will be watching you in the future after reading this thread.
  • edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: Can we "chat" about the SLEEPER in DYMs?:
    In Response to Re: Can we "chat" about the SLEEPER in DYMs? : Your idea of collusion is different to what collusion actually is. If you're happy conducting yourself in your own way, that's fine, but it's against the rules of the game, and the site, and you could, should, and will eventually be punished if you continue to do it. It's a grey area, and it's very naive to assume that exchanging hole cards is the only way that people can collude. What about chip dumping? Soft playing someone? Avoiding pots with another player? Consistantly giving walks to a short stack?  Cards are irrelevant in all the above scenarios.  Anyway I hope this thread is a wake up call, and if you continue to play dyms, you read up on the rules and become farmiliar with what is, and is not acceptable. I'm sure the players in your games will be watching you in the future after reading this thread.
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    Teacher has spoken!
  • edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: Can we "chat" about the SLEEPER in DYMs?:
    In Response to Re: Can we "chat" about the SLEEPER in DYMs? : Teacher has spoken!
    Posted by Ploppy33
    lol, yeh I hate reporting people, all the people that report others for chatbox abuse bla bla bla wind me up, they shud rise above it, we're here to play poker.

    But any sign of cheating/collusion in an actual game of poker and I'd encourage anyone to get onto CC right away and push them as hard as they can until something is done about it.

    For every game that a cheater is allowed to get away with cheating, some other guys will suffer for it nxt time out, so it should be stopped asap. 

    I'd gladly accept being abused by every single player for the rest of my poker life, if it means I never play a cheater/colluder again. 

    That's how big the gulf is between the 2 offences.

    Anyway, gl and play fair ;)


  • edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: Can we "chat" about the SLEEPER in DYMs?:
    In Response to Re: Can we "chat" about the SLEEPER in DYMs? : Plonker has spoken!
    Posted by Ploppy33
    FYP
  • edited July 2011
    Dohhh has spoken close thread.

    I'm not going to lie about the fact i'd tell ppl to take blinds off a sleeper.

    Why risk losing money and giving someone who is not there the opportunity to cash..its a no-brainer imo.

    I've put in chat box to let someone blind out and then all of a sudden this player started playing..how convenient.

    Ppl that enter a dym and doesn't play should be ashamed.

    fyi..i was only giving one example of colluding, didn't realise i had to give an essay of colluding for me to understand what is is :s
  • edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: Can we "chat" about the SLEEPER in DYMs?:
    Dohhh has spoken close thread. I'm not going to lie about the fact i'd tell ppl to take blinds off a sleeper. Why risk losing money and giving someone who is not there the opportunity to cash..its a no-brainer imo. I've put in chat box to let someone blind out and then all of a sudden this player started playing..how convenient. Ppl that enter a dym and doesn't play should be ashamed. fyi..i was only giving one example of colluding, didn't realise i had to give an essay of colluding for me to understand what is is :s
    Posted by Crunchybob
    exactly, it's easy enough to do, you shouldn't have to cheat to make sure an away player doesn't cash.
  • edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: Can we "chat" about the SLEEPER in DYMs?:
    In Response to Re: Can we "chat" about the SLEEPER in DYMs? : this is spot on! how people can moan about away players if you cant beat someone not there then poker isnt the game for you
    Posted by YOUNG_GUN


    stupid post imo, if its hu and u cnt beat them yeh...lets say 2ppl go out 1st level in a dym and one player is away..how could u possibly beat this 'away' player without them blinding out.
  • edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: Can we "chat" about the SLEEPER in DYMs?:
    In Response to Re: Can we "chat" about the SLEEPER in DYMs? : stupid post imo, if its hu and u cnt beat them yeh...lets say 2ppl go out 1st level in a dym and one player is away..how could u possibly beat this 'away' player without them blinding out.
    Posted by Crunchybob
    lol stupid post from you! haha

    there is a different dynamic but the fact they are not playing and cant accumulate chips other then when they are all in they are easy to beat!
  • edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: Can we "chat" about the SLEEPER in DYMs?:
    Dohhh has spoken close thread. I'm not going to lie about the fact i'd tell ppl to take blinds off a sleeper. Why risk losing money and giving someone who is not there the opportunity to cash..its a no-brainer imo. I've put in chat box to let someone blind out and then all of a sudden this player started playing..how convenient. Ppl that enter a dym and doesn't play should be ashamed. fyi..i was only giving one example of colluding, didn't realise i had to give an essay of colluding for me to understand what is is :s
    Posted by Crunchybob
    the fact is thay have paid their money and can play how they like within the rules.....i hate the fact that 5 ppl always call my all in when playing the 1st level of a rebuy but they are playing within the rules so no complaints....

    if you were in the vlv final with 2 places going to vegas and a massive chip leader with 3/4 players left would you "keep playing" or shut down......

    most players feel the same if a player is sat out on the bubble of a dym...but you cant tell others to blind him out(i find the words"i hope this guy sitting out doesnt cash" helps)

    :) gl..dave
  • edited July 2011
    I am not on about mtt's...i am on about dyms and dyms only, yes they've paid there money, obv ppl can play how they like, but why shud 3 other ppl battle it out for the last remaning spot to cash when i can easily go on chat and tell them that if we just let the 'sleeper' blind out we can all cash...i see no harm in doing this and certainly wouldnt class it as cheating, i would generally say im a fair player, i been hu with someone who was away after a break for bwt 10 mins and kept the chip counts the same by folding.
  • edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: Can we "chat" about the SLEEPER in DYMs?:
    I am not on about mtt's...i am on about dyms and dyms only, yes they've paid there money, obv ppl can play how they like, but why shud 3 other ppl battle it out for the last remaning spot to cash when i can easily go on chat and tell them that if we just let the 'sleeper' blind out we can all cash...i see no harm in doing this and certainly wouldnt class it as cheating, i would generally say im a fair player, i been hu with someone who was away after a break for bwt 10 mins and kept the chip counts the same by folding.
    Posted by Crunchybob
    You wouldn't class it as cheating, but it is according to the rules of the game.

    Surely you can see that it's wrong, and by doing it you are/have been colluding with other players at the table?


  • edited July 2011
    Crunchybob, I'm afraid the big man dohhhhhhh is right....

    If you type in chat box telling people to let the "away" player blind out, then this is cheating/colluding.

    Give me a table with an away player anyday of the week :)
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