20nl small pot, play on't river.

DOHHHHHHH

xxx - Not played him much but he seems reallyyyy passive/nitty. Limping in alot, probably paurs, Axs, suited cons etc, hardly ever bets, but probably wont fold either. Will need 2p+ to bet, top pair/good draw to call.

zzz - Is probably the opposite, calls all the time with any pair/gutshot/overcards, well known donk.

I don't like c betting this flop as I never get them both to fold.

On the turn I actually did time out, but I dunno if I should bet it anyway.

Is there any point in me raising this river?

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
zzz	Small blind		£0.10	£0.10	£4.01
muhammed	Big blind		£0.20	£0.30	£39.42
	Your hole cards	K A
xxx	Call		£0.20	£0.50	£20.39
DOHHHHHHH	Raise		£1.00	£1.50	£22.34
frogyderm	Fold
connolly08	Fold
zzz	Call		£0.90	£2.40	£3.11
muhammed	Fold
xxx	Call		£0.80	£3.20	£19.59
Flop
		5 J Q
zzz	Check
xxx	Check
DOHHHHHHH	Check
Turn
		A
zzz	Check
xxx	Check
DOHHHHHHH	Check
River
		4
zzz	Bet		£0.20	£3.40	£2.91
xxx	Call		£0.20	£3.60	£19.39
DOHHHHHHH

debdobs_67

Loool as if you aint confused enough already THEY throw in the 20p each on the river , i'd up it to maybe 60-80p and call anything sensible in reply , im sure you must have the best hand here xxx

Dudeskin8

I always bet turn, play less tables lol.

As played I'd raise river to about £3.50, I'm sure a lot worse calls after so much passivity through hand.

debdobs_67

In Response to Re: 20nl small pot, play on't river.:

I always bet turn, play less tables lol. As played I'd raise river to about £3.50, I'm sure a lot worse calls after so much passivity through hand.
Posted by Dudeskin8

Dont ya reckon a lower pair here just snap folds that reraise ?? i assumed dohhh wanted a call here , assuming of course wants to bet for value

DOHHHHHHH

Yeh if I'm raising Debs I want a call.

I actually just about had enough time to get the turn bet in, but it would have been rushed and I'd have to just bash the button and get a random amount instead of thinking about the amount. It doesn't often happen like that though, musta had alot going on at that moment.

lynx3ffect

as palyed ur not worried about xxx and zzz has 2.9 back so put him all in....obv fold is xxx goes loono and ships over

but yeah bet turn always ton of value against pair + sd hands

grantorino

bet turn for big fat value

make it 2.91 more, fold if nitty guy 3bets but I doubt he ever will

YOUNG_GUN

I'd prob bet flop turn and river fwiw but im a donk :P

tell me later who each are plz as dabble alot more nl20 lately

debdobs_67

In Response to Re: 20nl small pot, play on't river.:

I'd prob bet flop turn and river fwiw but im a donk :P tell me later who each are plz as dabble alot more nl20 lately
Posted by YOUNG_GUN

Phew im glad ure playin this level now as ive moved up to nl10 mostly now , at least ure now 1 less player to worry over xx

YOUNG_GUN

In Response to Re: 20nl small pot, play on't river.:

In Response to Re: 20nl small pot, play on't river. : Phew im glad ure playin this level now as ive moved up to nl10 mostly now , at least ure now 1 less player to worry over xx
Posted by debdobs_67

LOL your welcome missdobs i havent played nl10 for ages months even hopefully wont need to drop down either xx

delaney09

In Response to Re: 20nl small pot, play on't river.:

I'd prob bet flop turn and river fwiw but im a donk :P tell me later who each are plz as dabble alot more nl20 lately
Posted by YOUNG_GUN

1st thing to make you feel good about yourself is to always tell the truth

but mehh i actually agree id possibly bet F/T/R but the way its gone im just not flatting 20p im bumping it to maybe £1-£1.30 and watch them both call with their Ace rags

grantorino

betting flop isnt a great idea on this board imo against 2 guys who like to call

doh, xxx sounds more like a standard passive station than a nit

DOHHHHHHH

In Response to x:

betting flop isnt a great idea on this board imo against 2 guys who like to call doh, xxx sounds more like a standard passive station than a nit
Posted by grantorino

Right how would I describe someone quite loose passive pre, and tight passive post flop, unless he has the betting lead pre, in which case he's opening very narrow, and playing tpgk and better very strongly.

It's like most players at 20nl are 2 different types of player, TAG with the betting lead, loose passive without it.

AMYBR

Only read OP

I dont want to open the door to a 3 bet so dont think i raise here, dont see how you can after letting two cards come off for free 3 handed.

I just flat, as I dont know what weaker hand calls you.  But mainly dont want to open the door to be 3 bet as will have to decde I'm beat, not worth the marginal value in this spot for me.

Happy to call feeling I have best hand.

donkeyplop

I would of bet turn about 2.80.

pod1

cant be worried about xxx comming back over the top, but i read it there is more value to be had outta this hand. would a reraise to 1.20 be that bad a play. you might get 1 or both to call with a lower pair or worse ace, if zzzz comes back over the top then so be it.

GREGHOGG

as played i defo raise river for value, but i would have bet the turn.

Knowing me, i would have probably bet the flop. Even if we are called we can make the nuts and our overcards will likely be good too. Also our hand is probably still good and we are unlikely to face a c/r.

pod1

how much would you bet on river gregg?

GREGHOGG

In Response to Re: 20nl small pot, play on't river.:

how much would you bet on river gregg?
Posted by pod1

well they aint got much, but they are fishy... hmmm £1.90- £2.40

on the basis that we get one caller (not sure we will get two as the shortie prob has nothing)

debdobs_67

This 1 must be nearly the same BUT with only one oppo dohhh
Hand History #390905639 (16:46 11/07/2011)PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalancenorfolkr07Small blind £0.10£0.10£15.94dogcharlieBig blind £0.20£0.30£55.10 Your hole cardsAK   7kingFold    dorithyFold    debdobs_67Raise £0.80£1.10£15.32muhammedFold    norfolkr07Call £0.70£1.80£15.24dogcharlieRaise £1.20£3.00£53.90debdobs_67Call £0.60£3.60£14.72norfolkr07Fold    Flop  5J8   dogcharlieCheck    debdobs_67Check    Turn  K   dogcharlieBet £0.20£3.80£53.70debdobs_67Raise £1.20£5.00£13.52dogcharlieCall £1.00£6.00£52.70River  6   dogcharlieBet £0.20£6.20£52.50debdobs_67Raise £3.40£9.60£10.12dogcharlieCall £3.20£12.80£49.30debdobs_67ShowAK   dogcharlieMuckQQ   debdobs_67WinPair of Kings£12.16 £22.28PrevClose window