I was gonna shove any C bet anywayz but....

Mohican

..should I still call this? I normally know when I've been a donk(quite often as it happens) and I know I'm not getting the odds(even more chance I'm a donk) but is this really that bad????lol
Had him on over pair to board and protecting his hand so 11-14 outs.
Please cast your opinions so I can decide whether to do this again or not. (BTW second or third hand of DS mini. Makes it even worse,I know!!!!!!lol lol)

layer	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
DOHHHHHHH	Small blind		20.00	20.00	3940.00
milkman90	Big blind		40.00	60.00	3960.00
	Your hole cards	A J
SolarCarro	Fold
Mohican	Raise		120.00	180.00	3880.00
FLASHJONNY	Fold
mickgil75	Fold
DOHHHHHHH	Call		100.00	280.00	3840.00
milkman90	Raise		400.00	680.00	3560.00
Mohican	Call		320.00	1000.00	3560.00
DOHHHHHHH	Call		320.00	1320.00	3520.00
Flop
		J 2 7
DOHHHHHHH	Check
milkman90	All-in		3560.00	4880.00	0.00
Mohican	All-in		3560.00	8440.00	0.00
DOHHHHHHH	Fold
milkman90	Show	K K
Mohican	Show	A J
Turn
		8
River
		10
milkman90	Win	Pair of Kings	8440.00		8440.00

GREGHOGG

I would fold preflop!!

But as played its an easy call on the flop.  TPTK and NFD= the nuts imo

Hes unlikely to be jamming with a set and AA is unlikely, so at the worst you are 50/50

Mohican

In Response to Re: I was gonna shove any C bet anywayz but....:

I would fold preflop!! But as played its an easy call on the flop.  TPTK and NFD= the nuts imo Hes unlikely to be jamming with a set and AA is unlikely, so at the worst you are 50/50
Posted by GREGHOGG

I was of the opinion at the time that my top pair, top kicker was behind.

Prop60

In Response to Re: I was gonna shove any C bet anywayz but....:

In Response to Re: I was gonna shove any C bet anywayz but.... : I was of the opinion at the time that my top pair, top kicker was behind.
Posted by Mohican

You're a marginal favourite - 52%

Mohican

In Response to Re: I was gonna shove any C bet anywayz but....:

In Response to Re: I was gonna shove any C bet anywayz but.... : You're a marginal favourite - 52%
Posted by Prop60

Yep, marginal favourite. Ran it through one of those odds calculator things. What I meant  by tptk being behind is that I didn't think AJ would be winning on the flop, I needed to hit an out to take the hand.

grantorino

fold to 3bet pre readless

As played calling is fine, I dont like the plan to shove over cbet on any board, especially 3 way

YOUNG_GUN

Pre flop depends if no reads i dont mind flat but treat with caution

on that flop insta call, top pair could be good even if not you have flush outs possibly Ace/Jack no brainer

UL mate probably the best flop for your hand other then hitting JJx on flop so always going broke/doubling up here

AMYBR

Tricky one.  You are 52% but your calling nearly 300% pot.  If you do put opponent on over pair, given size of his flop jam you can easily justify a fold, especially as you have 90bb's back. 

Depends how I'm feeling, if I want the opportunity to generate a super stack of 200+BB's early I call.  If I'm in a steady mood I fold.  Mood dependant

Mohican

In Response to x:

fold to 3bet pre readless As played calling is fine, I dont like the plan to shove over cbet on any board, especially 3 way
Posted by grantorino

The plan came about once the flop came down and certainly wasn't planning to shove any board regardless. Had position, thought it could be a squeeze and I was going to reassess on the flop which is why I flatted pre flop.I thought a decent  Cbet would have to be about 900 and I can't flat it so my plan was to shove but the villian did it for me.

DOHHHHHHH

I missed my set again.

grantorino

In Response to Re: x:

In Response to x : The plan came about once the flop came down and certainly wasn't planning to shove any board regardless. Had position, thought it could be a squeeze and I was going to reassess on the flop which is why I flatted pre flop.I thought a decent  Cbet would have to be about 900 and I can't flat it so my plan was to shove but the villian did it for me.
Posted by Mohican

my bad, misread it I thought you were planning to raise a cbet whatever flopcame down. Still dont really like pre readless

percival09

pre is a pretty standard fold readless

i'd probably call the shove but i wouldn't really like it, you pretty much know your behind most of the time, just depends whether you want to gamble early on to build a stack

Dudeskin8

Snap fold pre.

5toneFace

gamble for the win!! When you call pre with your hand, you cant really go folding these types of flops. You have the right odds, ~52% odds of winning, ~42% potodds, Even if he has AA (which is basically best he can have) you still have ~43% chance of winning. 

PS, I just saw you put you didnt have the odds, as you can see, you do have the odds