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A poker dilemma
I've just noticed a conversation on Twitter between two of the best high-stakes pros out there, Brian Hastings and Phil Galfond. Galfond has moved to Canada to continue playing online, while Hastings suggested he's going to stay in America and try make it as a live game pro.
Galfond's response staggered me.
He said, 'Live is too hard, man. You won't make it.'
This could all be one amazing level, but think about if he's even vaguely serious. He (one of the best online players out there) is suggesting to another top online pro that turning in to a live game specialist would be too tough. Considering the talent they have, that's insane!
So, here's the question I am going to put up for discussion.
Do you think you could make it if you were to ever go purely as a live game player?
Which you obviously don't need to as we've got Sky Poker
Galfond's response staggered me.
He said, 'Live is too hard, man. You won't make it.'
This could all be one amazing level, but think about if he's even vaguely serious. He (one of the best online players out there) is suggesting to another top online pro that turning in to a live game specialist would be too tough. Considering the talent they have, that's insane!
So, here's the question I am going to put up for discussion.
Do you think you could make it if you were to ever go purely as a live game player?
Which you obviously don't need to as we've got Sky Poker
Comments
Having played online for about 3 years, but have only played Live twice, but I think I coped quite well live, yes there are more things to remember like bet sizing, postion, whats in the pot, it is there for you online, but not that much difference, I think I coped quite well.
I think this is Galfond's point, but still.... he might have to downscale a little bit from winning $300k per session but he could definitely get by on $5k/hour live, right?
When ive been to g-casino in sheffield the players are appaling, problem is you get alot less hands so its harder to make more $$
i think that live cash is a gold mine if you can overcome this...something that I struggle with
Nice to see you back on here btw Beaneh. This place is a bit quiet without your one liners
To play live IMO you need to live in the live area where theres plenty of fish with money, tables and someone willing to run the game. In Britian thats not a common site. Plenty of fish with money in the casinos but the number of them just isnt high enough to sustain higher online players. Obviously in the case you discuss their in Vegas so thats slightly different.
The second part is, when you win a hand do you jump around your living room like a small ape climbs through a forrrest? If the answer is yes, then stick to online IMO.
Are you staked for live poker? Certainly ive never seen a £1 tournament or 2p/4p cash able anywhere.
live twice, i hope you lasted longer the first than than you did in Leeds, did you have to go home after playing half a hour with a slight head ache? Good luck in the nest tourny at least their will be no bad beat stories of your aces getting cracked.
Hurst05 (cardiff just thi weekend)
Brownndog
Gliterbabe
need i continue?
I think the transition of going from online to live can be quite difficult, especially for a serial grinders like Galfond...
I mean look at Tom Dwan, he was multi tabling live at the WSOP, played almost every event and was minus alot of monies, and i assume this was only because he gets bored of sitting at a table hardly playing any hands, which is why he is always making prop bets at the tables to keep himself entertained.
I also think Brunson summed it up in a tweet of his during the WPT Championship (i cant view the tweet now, but it was something like.....
3 days grinding for a 12k profit or something like that.
The online players can make this in one single hand
IMO Galfond could crush live, but would it be worth it long term than if he just stayed online???
i think offshoot was right about it just being so fing boring
Hopefully one better this year
Location Location Location. If you live in vegas or one of the other resort city's that have regular traffic coming through them then you might have a bit of a chance making it live as you have a continuous supply of money coming to the table. If your playing in a 1 bit town with a casino your probably playing the same players all the time and shuffling gthe money about to a certain extent. (To a certain extent sky is like that sort of casino esp at the likes of 25/50 6tables which should be 36 players but different players probably < 15)
If its making a living then the online version has got to be so much easier. You get up pull up the pc find a table with some donks on sit down and wait for the appropriate hands. Rinse and repeat for how many tables you feel comfortable with. Live version get up make your way to casino see who is sat at tables pick your one spot grind away for a couple of hours break have dinner etc.