QQ on flopped flush board

YOUNG_GUN

Ok villain was playing tight up to this point not really showed any hands, comments on my play please

should i have got more value, comment on each street please ty

lea116311	Small blind		15.00	15.00	2150.00
Deja_Vu	Big blind		30.00	45.00	4255.00
	Your hole cards	Q Q
poppy765	Fold
YOUNG_GUN	Raise		120.00	165.00	4970.00
Eyeman	Fold
lea116311	Fold
Deja_Vu	Call		90.00	255.00	4165.00
Flop
		5 8 2
Deja_Vu	Check
YOUNG_GUN	Bet		191.25	446.25	4778.75
Deja_Vu	Call		191.25	637.50	3973.75
Turn
		J
Deja_Vu	Bet		318.75	956.25	3655.00
YOUNG_GUN	Call		318.75	1275.00	4460.00
River
		7
Deja_Vu	Bet		637.50	1912.50	3017.50
YOUNG_GUN	Call		637.50	2550.00	3822.50
Deja_Vu	Show	10 10
YOUNG_GUN	Show	Q Q
YOUNG_GUN	Win	Pair of Queens	2550.00		6372.50

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PiAnOpLaYa

i dont think you could have got much more value, if he's been playing as tight as you say surely he's going to fold if you re-raise the turn or river.

And what hands are going to call a re-raise on the river that your beating?

I like the way you played the hand

DOHHHHHHH

Raise the turn, and call or value bet/fold any river if he continues.

YOUNG_GUN

In Response to Re: QQ on flopped flush board:

Raise the turn, and call or value bet/fold any river if he continues.
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

This is what i was thinking i did wrong, if he has Asuited here im letting him get there! i have called for pot control and was pretty certain i was good if no heart hit the river but not good enough to re-raise river. if another heart came down i'd still call aswell so didnt want to inflate the pot on the turn

DOHHHHHHH

Coz ur so deep and in position, I think raising turn is good. His donk lead is prob weak, trying to buy a card, and theres tonnes of hands he will call with.

You have the Qh, so you're not really scared of any river card, and you can snap call any river bet.

If you raise the turn and he raises again u can fold without being pot committed or anything that would make you feel inclined to get it in.

If he calls the turn and checks the river u can value bet any card, quite small, as ur looking for thin value. Fold to a raise unless it's ridic small.

YOUNG_GUN

all very good points but what if he has A/K suited as its definately within his range hence why it could be a tough river if another heart hits. Do you think as played i can re-raise river?? i personally was worried that they could have made flush here also as they were still in the pot. if they check turn or river i can value bet but dunno whether can re-raise at any point they could easily have me beat

debdobs_67

I agree with pianoplaya here i think ya played it fine as ya say oppo could be slow playin summin x

PiAnOpLaYa

Still feel if your try to value raise the river ther's very few hands that are going to call you can beat

AJ maybe with the A hearts.

With 10's he might have but you said he'd been playing tight.

What did you think he had when he led the turn?

DOHHHHHHH

I would prefer to raise the turn than the river because...

On the turn hands that can call you that you beat are.....Jack x, TT, 99, 67, as well as like any pair + heart hand....or even just the bare A or K of hearts...

On the river, the draw hands, which make up loads of his range can no longer call, so you can only get value from weaker made hands.

So if he calls with alot more hands that you beat on the turn, it makes sense to raise there rather than on the end....

If a heart comes on the river as played, I would snap off almost any bet....

If you raised the turn and a heart came on the river and he bet, alot would depend on his bet sizing. 

If a heart came on the river as played and he checked, I'd bet/fold....

If a heart came on the river after you had raised the turn, again, I'd bet/fold....quite small.....

grantorino

I think you played the hand well

What hands do you think a tight player calls a raise oop on turn with that you beat? There may be some, but most will be a pair +big draw and he may be as likely to 3bet them as call, given he has poor implied odds when his draw hits oop. Raising is too thin here imo, you fold out too many hands you beat and you cant continue if he raises

River raise would be utter spew

PiAnOpLaYa

In Response to x:

I think you played the hand well What hands do you think a tight player calls a raise oop on turn with that you beat? There may be some, but most will be a pair +big draw and he may be as likely to 3bet them as call, given he has poor implied odds when his draw hits oop. Raising is too thin here imo, you fold out too many hands you beat and you cant continue if he raises River raise would be utter spew
Posted by grantorino

So you like the way the hand was played aswell?

YOUNG_GUN

I agree with the river raise i dont like, just asking dohhhh what his thoughts are no hands that i beat are going to call me so there is no point really

i do agree we can get more value on turn but it is very risky i think there are + for both calling for pot control isn't too bad really as surely he would play flopped flush same way?

DOHHHHHHH

In Response to Re: QQ on flopped flush board:
I agree with the river raise i dont like, just asking dohhhh what his thoughts are no hands that i beat are going to call me so there is no point really i do agree we can get more value on turn but it is very risky i think there are + for both calling for pot control isn't too bad really as surely he would play flopped flush same way?
Posted by YOUNG_GUN

But how many flopped flushes r in his range???

Compared to hands like pair + heart, or even bare heart, or just Jack x etc .....

There's so many more hands he can have, and continue with that we beat, than hands he can have that have us beat. 

Against bad passive players we wanna go valueee townnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn