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Official - TPT (Team Poker Titans) Tribulations & Cashes

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  • edited November 2011
    Hi TPTers
    I see we are not having the rub of the green with our big hole cards so lets see if I can help.

    Advice to Rectify the problem Immediately
    I see from most of these hands that have been posted, when we have AA, KK, QQ, AK etc, that all the chips are going in. Is this really a good thing when in actual fact we are holding the worst hand (A Pair) you can get in poker.

    Lets think logically, the only hand we are beating pre-flop is a smaller pair, I know those Pocket aces & Kings look enormous pre-flop, but once the flop is down, we are still only beating a smaller pair, so don't get all the chips in at this point.

    Example
    If we are holding KK, AA, and the flop comes down Q98 for instance I can tell you a lot of the time you are going to get beat here. WHY? because most people like myself are going to be playing connecting cards such as 9,8 or QJ - So you can see immediately in this example i've hit 2 pair if i'm holding 98, and also have a straight draw if i'm holding QJ with 2 cards still to come.

    Even if the oppo has called us with KQ, QJ here, he will think he is ahead and is either going to play the hand across the board or call your all in and his hand is more likely to improve than ours because he has more outs.

    Remedy
    Don't get too attached to your AA, KK, QQ - although they can be a great shoving hand pre-flop in certain positions, once the flop is down they only have a "pair" value which is the lowest hand you can have in poker.
    Make the raise 4-5x pre-flop, even higher early on in a tourny 6-8x when the blinds are still small.

    If we get a caller to the flop and its our turn to act a 3/4 or pot bet should be enough to take it down. If we get called here after our post-flop bet, then oppo has most likely hit top pair, 2 pair or even a set. At this point we need to slow the hand down. Check and fold to any shove and move on to the next hand.

    There is nothing wrong with folding big pocket pairs like AA, KK, QQ post flop, just keep saying to yourself - "Its only a Pair" - By letting them go you will be protecting and preserving your stack and most likely saving your tourny life.

    Aim to build a stack slowly rather than risk it all on a pair and I certainly do not advice getting all the chips in with these types of hands once the flop is down. KEEP THINKING!!!! - IT'S ONLY A
    PAIR

    Remember.
    Make the bet BIG pre-flop (We don't want any stragglers)
    Continuation Bet Flop - 3/4 pot at least 
    Slow your hand down if your Flop Bet is called
    Fold to any raise or shove
    Be prepared to fold and move on to the next hand.

    Well good luck fellow TPTers - I hope this helps.
  • edited November 2011
    In Response to Re: Official - TPT (Team Poker Trev) Tribulations & Cashes:
    Hi TPTers I see we are not having the rub of the green with our big hole cards so lets see if I can help. Advice to Rectify the problem Immediately I see from most of these hands that have been posted, when we have AA, KK, QQ, AK etc, that all the chips are going in. Is this really a good thing when in actual fact we are holding the worst hand (A Pair) you can get in poker. Lets think logically, the only hand we are beating pre-flop is a smaller pair, I know those Pocket aces & Kings look enormous pre-flop, but once the flop is down, we are still only beating a smaller pair, so don't get all the chips in at this point. Example If we are holding KK, AA, and the flop comes down Q98 for instance I can tell you a lot of the time you are going to get beat here. WHY? because most people like myself are going to be playing connecting cards such as 9,8 or QJ - So you can see immediately in this example i've hit 2 pair if i'm holding 98, and also have a straight draw if i'm holding QJ with 2 cards still to come. Even if the oppo has called us with KQ, QJ here, he will think he is ahead and is either going to play the hand across the board or call your all in and his hand is more likely to improve than ours because he has more outs. Remedy Don't get too attached to your AA, KK, QQ - although they can be a great shoving hand pre-flop in certain positions, once the flop is down they only have a "pair" value which is the lowest hand you can have in poker. Make the raise 4-5x pre-flop, even higher early on in a tourny 6-8x when the blinds are still small. If we get a caller to the flop and its our turn to act a 3/4 or pot bet should be enough to take it down. If we get called here after our post-flop bet, then oppo has most likely hit top pair, 2 pair or even a set. At this point we need to slow the hand down. Check and fold to any shove and move on to the next hand. There is nothing wrong with folding big pocket pairs like AA, KK, QQ post flop, just keep saying to yourself - "Its only a Pair" - By letting them go you will be protecting and preserving your stack and most likely saving your tourny life. Aim to build a stack slowly rather than risk it all on a pair and I certainly do not advice getting all the chips in with these types of hands once the flop is down. KEEP THINKING!!!! - IT'S ONLY A PAIR Remember. Make the bet BIG pre-flop (We don't want any stragglers) Continuation Bet Flop - 3/4 pot at least  Slow your hand down if your Flop Bet is called Fold to any raise or shove Be prepared to fold and move on to the next hand. Well good luck fellow TPTers - I hope this helps.
    Posted by POKERTREV

       Excellent post Trev, just wish you had posted this 24 hours ago m8. See below for a classic example, last nights mini
       12 players left.


      
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    RICEONE Small blind  1500.00 1500.00 29971.86
    pomfrittes Big blind  3000.00 4500.00 157002.59
      Your hole cards
    • K
    • K
         
    PokerPaul2 Fold     
    elsworth02 Fold     
    sascha2026 Raise  9000.00 13500.00 140320.86
    RICEONE Fold     
    pomfrittes Raise  24000.00 37500.00 133002.59
    sascha2026 Call  18000.00 55500.00 122320.86
    Flop
       
    • 4
    • 2
    • 5
         
    pomfrittes Bet  55500.00 111000.00 77502.59
    sascha2026 All-in  122320.86 233320.86 0.00
    pomfrittes Call  66820.86 300141.72 10681.73
    pomfrittes Show
    • K
    • K
       
    sascha2026 Show
    • 5
    • 5
       
    Turn
       
    • J
         
    River
       
    • Q
         
    sascha2026 Win Three 5s 300141.72  300141.72



     
  • edited November 2011


      My little cash in last nights mini which COULD have been so much better.
      Big thanks to the railers
    chris-27-010£8.04 + £7.05 Head Prizes + 2 League Points6 
    slimshady9011£6.83 + £20.75 Head Prizes + 1 League Points10 
    pomfrittes012£6.83 + £16 Head Prizes + 1 League Points9 
    PokerPaul2013£6.83 + £15.66
    again, oh and scorpio i had a cuppa. Wd on ur cash




      
  • edited November 2011
    In Response to Re: Official - TPT (Team Poker Trev) Tribulations & Cashes:
      My little cash in last nights mini which COULD have been so much better.   Big thanks to the railers chris-27- 0 10 £8.04 + £7.05 Head Prizes + 2 League Points 6   slimshady9 0 11 £6.83 + £20.75 Head Prizes + 1 League Points 10   pomfrittes 0 12 £6.83 + £16 Head Prizes + 1 League Points 9   PokerPaul2 0 13 £6.83 + £15.66 again, oh and scorpio i had a cuppa. Wd on ur cash   
    Posted by pomfrittes
    Nice cash Pom and glad you had a cuppa lol. Thanks for the advice, Captain. 

    Best of luck and FD to 67, torryboy and freechips in the UKOPS tonight- hope you run golden! :)
  • edited November 2011
    URAISEIFOL700001£51 + 10 League Pointstorryboy02£30.60 + 8 League Pointslumkming0903£20.40 + 6 League Points
    £3, 13:35 GTD Speed
  • edited November 2011
    In Response to Re: Official - TPT (Team Poker Trev) Tribulations & Cashes:
    In Response to Re: Official - TPT (Team Poker Trev) Tribulations & Cashes : Nice cash Pom and glad you had a cuppa lol. Thanks for the advice, Captain.  Best of luck and FD to 67, torryboy and freechips in the UKOPS tonight- hope you run golden! :)
    Posted by scorpio13
    Not holding my breath lol.
  • edited November 2011
    come on torry chin up you can have some ofjonnys lucky dust lol
  • edited November 2011
    In Response to Re: Official - TPT (Team Poker Trev) Tribulations & Cashes:
    In Response to Re: Official - TPT (Team Poker Trev) Tribulations & Cashes :    Excellent post Trev, just wish you had posted this 24 hours ago m8. See below for a classic example, last nights mini    12 players left.    Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance RICEONE Small blind   1500.00 1500.00 29971.86 pomfrittes Big blind   3000.00 4500.00 157002.59   Your hole cards K K       PokerPaul2 Fold         elsworth02 Fold         sascha2026 Raise   9000.00 13500.00 140320.86 RICEONE Fold         pomfrittes Raise   24000.00 37500.00 133002.59 sascha2026 Call   18000.00 55500.00 122320.86 Flop     4 2 5       pomfrittes Bet   55500.00 111000.00 77502.59 sascha2026 All-in   122320.86 233320.86 0.00 pomfrittes Call   66820.86 300141.72 10681.73 pomfrittes Show K K       sascha2026 Show 5 5       Turn     J       River     Q       sascha2026 Win Three 5s 300141.72   300141.72  
    Posted by pomfrittes
    Hi Pom.
    Yes a Classic Example I see.

    I certainly hope you can keep this in mind and I hope it helps yours and everyone elses game.

    Good Luck
  • edited November 2011
    Trevor AA, KK or AK might be the worse hand (a pair) in poker but they are  the best STARTING hands. In the first example I posted villain has raised to 120 and I reraise with the best starting hand possible. Maybe the only thing wrong was the size of my reraise and it should have been bigger but I believe it is still big enough to say I have a big hand you should fold. When he makes the call I have to put him on a big pair or at the least AQ or AJ. Looking back over the hand now I will concede the possibilty he might even have a middling pair and is set mining.If he hits the set  I probably go bust as I know they are many players downfall and impossible to be certain about. With that flop of Q 10 9 rainbow I decided to put him all in as it was straighteng and wanted to make it too expensive for him to call on the draw.  There is no way I'm putting him on 2 pair with that flop.

    In the second example it is easier to analyse. Very laggy player getting very lucky continually stealing blinds going all in to win 300 chips when first to act? Sorry Trevor with AK and the one of the small stacks at the table i'm calling all day in that situation.The shock of them doing that with Q 7 was echoed by at least 2 other players.

    Redking's hand? Well that takes the biscuit.

    I think your summary at the end is pretty close to the way I play and I would sooner win a small pot than lose a big one but sometimes I despair at the way people play. The consolation is that I know I will win in the majority of those hands, but everyone will tell you it hurts at the time.

    I appreciate your post and your doing a sterling job as Captain.
  • edited November 2011
    In Response to Re: Official - TPT (Team Poker Trev) Tribulations & Cashes:
    In Response to Re: Official - TPT (Team Poker Trev) Tribulations & Cashes : Nice cash Pom and glad you had a cuppa lol. Thanks for the advice, Captain.  Best of luck and FD to 67, torryboy and freechips in the UKOPS tonight- hope you run golden! :)
    Posted by scorpio13
    Seconded (and Drumahai and Hitman cos they're good guys)
  • edited November 2011

    Crashed and burned in the £100 Roller , never got going then ran my AJ in to AQ which left me short stacked . Learned a thing or two none the less - main point being im not good enough to play at that level .

    Good cashes TPT'ers

  • edited November 2011
    Ludovician1010001£73.50 + 10 League Points
    lumkming0902£44.10 + 8 League Points
    torryboy03£29.40 + 6 League Points
    £3, 16:45 gtd speed
  • edited November 2011

    WD pomm and torryboy nice cashes.Gl on the tables guys.

  • edited November 2011
    driverdave127737.50  MRBIGCHIPS76647.50  NosherM1615  torryboy04£11 + 4 League Points
    £1, 18:50 Speed
  • edited November 2011
    AFTER READING SOME OFF THE PM`S AND WATCHING TIKAY`S INTERVIEW, WHICH WAS GREAT VEIWING HOW COULD I QUIT, SO AM TAKING SOME TIME OFF TO REGATHER MYSELF, ALTHOUGH I AM IN TOMORROW`S SUPER B/HUNTER FOR WHICH WAS PASSED ON TO ME, SO IT`S A FREEROLL IN A WAY, ALTHOUGH I HOPE TO DO SAID PERSON PROUD BY TAKING IT DOWN. SO GL ALL ON TABLES AND SEE YOU ALL SOON 
  • edited November 2011
    Welcome back sporny. Knew you couldnt resist the lure.
  • edited November 2011
    Wow torry you are a SPEED KING- nice cashes!

    Well done JJ and Stocky on your cashes in the orfy as well.

    Finished at 23:12 - 04 NovRegistered67 / 2000Players Left0 / 671Boxster - £60.30 + 15 League Points2MAXALLY - £40.20 + 12 League Points3Ploppy33 - £28.14 + 10 League Points4scorpio13 - £20.10 + 8 League Points5Angel_19 - £16.08 + 6 League Points6STOCKY8A1 - £14.07 + 4 League Points7timeforbed - £12.06 + 3 League Points8jjjach - £10.05 + 2 League Points

  • edited November 2011
    Nice Cashes TPTers - Here a little one for the captain.

    £400 Bounty Hunter
    POKERTREV014£2.52 + £9.65 Head Prizes + 1 League Points8
  • edited November 2011

    WD torryboy nice cash.Managed sscorpio1304£20.10 + 8 League PointsAngel_1905£16.08 + 6 League PointsSTOCKY8A106£14.07 + 4 League Pointstimeforbed07£12.06 + 3 League Pointsjjjach08£10.05 a cash tonight wiiiiiiii also wd scorpio and stocky nice cashes.

  • edited November 2011
    Good Luck to JJJach, MrBurns & Scorpio in the October League Stars Freeroll
  • edited November 2011
    wd on the cashes TPTers, here's one for the pot,

    22:15 Deep Stack
    Red_King04£11 + 8 League Points
    Read your post TREV, agree with most of it, the hand I posted AA beaten by 64,
    I've raised 3BB pre, against a loose player who gets involved with A?,
    then they just flat call, so I'm putting on A?, mid pair or suited conns,
    on that flop I've c/bet 4BB, just under half the pot to see if they've caught the Q,
    expecting a RR if they have, then I'm jamming it, to take it down right there.
    The over the top all-in, does not want to be called, so how can I fold AA in that spot.
    The shove was just crazy with middle pair and got lucky to hit their other card.
    The point is, it seems to be happening a hell of a lot lately to everyone. RNG FTW lol.

    Agree with FD's point, much rather take a small/med pot down early than slow play AA.
  • edited November 2011
    well done every1 nicecashes
  • edited November 2011
    Nice cashes all
    Well done all in the Orfordable, was waiting for the table to open but had forgot to register!!
    Managed 3rd in the 250 gtd

    MADMOO03£37.50 + 12 League Points

    Good luck all today and enjoy the fireworks x
  • edited November 2011
    nice 1 moo have fun with the noisy things
  • edited November 2011
    I AM LIVID UKOPS AA VS JJ I HAVE FULL HOUSE HE HAS QUADS I AM LOSING THE WILL TO YO LIVE  I HAVE GOOD MIND TO TAKE MONEY OUT NOW
  • edited November 2011
    NURSE  MORE BROMIDE MORE LEONARD COHEN TAKE THESE CHAINS FROM MY HEART AND SET ME FREE ARGHHHHHHHHHH
  • edited November 2011
    HAVE CALMED DOWN NOW JUST KEEP MEAWAY FROM SHARP OBJECTS LOL SEE YA TONIGHT
  • edited November 2011
    Well done all who cashed. Flash very unlucky not really a lot you can do about that. Last nights Orfordable was good up to the point I crashed out. Felt I played pretty good and was capable of a cash until my exit hand. Calling the allin was stupid seeing I only had Q 7 against QK post flop. Memo to self THINK about every hand.
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  • edited November 2011
    Unlikey Flash but I suppose thats why we love and hate the game all at once lol
    Nice cashes all

    Just qualif to the UKPOS 6 for a 5 squid qualifer and in the semi of the 7 for 6 squid so if the poker gods are out there me me me me please lol
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