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Another losing NL4 session, some hands

edited August 2011 in The Poker Clinic
1. I played this badly i think. Expeshially the river.
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
Yeoman38 Small blind  £0.02 £0.02 £2.04
teddy991 Big blind  £0.04 £0.06 £3.48
  Your hole cards
  • Q
  • A
     
The_Don90 Raise  £0.20 £0.26 £4.24
parkway Fold     
Yeoman38 Fold     
teddy991 Call  £0.16 £0.42 £3.32
Flop
   
  • 10
  • 10
  • 6
     
teddy991 Check     
The_Don90 Bet  £0.32 £0.74 £3.92
teddy991 Call  £0.32 £1.06 £3.00
Turn
   
  • 8
     
teddy991 Check     
The_Don90 Check     
River
   
  • 6
     
teddy991 Bet  £0.53 £1.59 £2.47
The_Don90 Call  £0.53 £2.12 £3.39
teddy991 Show
  • 8
  • 8
   
The_Don90 Muck
  • Q
  • A
   
teddy991 Win Full House, 8s and 10s £1.96  £4.43
2. Standard i think, maybe overplaying the hand a little?
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
berni Small blind £0.02 £0.02 £8.34
painn Big blind  £0.04 £0.06 £1.39
  Your hole cards
  • A
  • J
     
JINTY Call  £0.04 £0.10 £3.70
The_Don90 Raise  £0.28 £0.38 £3.70
Karaoke Fold     
berni Fold     
painn Call  £0.24 £0.62 £1.15
JINTY Call  £0.24 £0.86 £3.46
Flop
   
  • 4
  • 7
  • J
     
painn Check     
JINTY Bet  £0.04 £0.90 £3.42
The_Don90 Raise  £0.75 £1.65 £2.95
painn All-in  £1.15 £2.80 £0.00
JINTY Fold     
The_Don90 Call  £0.40 £3.20 £2.55
painn Show
  • 7
  • 7
   
The_Don90 Show
  • A
  • J
   
Turn
   
  • 2
     
River
   
  • Q
     
painn Win Three 7s £2.96  £2.96

3. Post flop is a cooler. On the pre im wanting to discuss here.
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
parkway Small blind  £0.02 £0.02 £1.37
teddy991 Big blind  £0.04 £0.06 £3.46
  Your hole cards
  • J
  • 10
     
toonborr Call  £0.04 £0.10 £0.92
The_Don90 Call  £0.04 £0.14 £5.32
DEVILFI5H Fold     
parkway Raise  £0.14 £0.28 £1.23
teddy991 Fold     
toonborr Call  £0.12 £0.40 £0.80
The_Don90 Call  £0.12 £0.52 £5.20
Flop
   
  • 2
  • A
  • A
     
parkway Check     
toonborr Check     
The_Don90 Check     
Turn
   
  • 8
     
parkway Bet  £0.26 £0.78 £0.97
toonborr Call  £0.26 £1.04 £0.54
The_Don90 Raise  £1.56 £2.60 £3.64
parkway Fold     
toonborr All-in  £0.54 £3.14 £0.00
The_Don90 Unmatched bet  £0.76 £2.38 £4.40
toonborr Show
  • A
  • 2
   
The_Don90 Show
  • J
  • 10
   
River
   
  • 10
     
toonborr Win Full House, Aces and 2s £2.20  £2.20

4. Little confused about this one. Despite everything i hit on the flop (TPTK - GS) i hate the flop. Opinions would be great.
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
SIMONBLUE2 Small blind  £0.02 £0.02 £2.34
sofalout Big blind  £0.04 £0.06 £3.92
  Your hole cards
  • K
  • A
     
painn Call  £0.04 £0.10 £4.65
Bins454 Fold     
The_Don90 Raise  £0.32 £0.42 £3.48
topman0705 Call  £0.32 £0.74 £2.47
SIMONBLUE2 Call  £0.30 £1.04 £2.04
sofalout Fold     
painn Fold     
Flop
   
  • K
  • J
  • 10
     
SIMONBLUE2 Check     
The_Don90 Check     
topman0705 Check     
Turn
   
  • 8
     
SIMONBLUE2 Check     
The_Don90 Bet  £0.78 £1.82 £2.70
topman0705 Fold     
SIMONBLUE2 Fold     
The_Don90 Muck     
The_Don90 Win  £0.96  £3.66
The_Don90 Return  £0.78 £0.08 £4.44
5. On this one i want to discuss specifically the river. Should i be shoving for value?
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
breffnilad Small blind  £0.02 £0.02 £1.42
chaper Big blind  £0.04 £0.06 £4.14
  Your hole cards
  • J
  • A
     
COCKNHEN Call  £0.04 £0.10 £15.73
Exiguous99 Fold     
The_Don90 Raise  £0.28 £0.38 £3.74
breffnilad Fold     
chaper Fold     
COCKNHEN Call  £0.24 £0.62 £15.49
Flop
   
  • J
  • 4
  • 10
     
COCKNHEN Check     
The_Don90 Bet  £0.47 £1.09 £3.27
COCKNHEN Call  £0.47 £1.56 £15.02
Turn
   
  • 7
     
COCKNHEN Check     
The_Don90 Bet  £1.17 £2.73 £2.10
COCKNHEN Call  £1.17 £3.90 £13.85
River
   
  • 4
     
COCKNHEN Bet  £1.00 £4.90 £12.85
The_Don90 Call  £1.00 £5.90 £1.10
COCKNHEN Show
  • 6
  • 9
   
The_Don90 Show
  • J
  • A
   
The_Don90 Win Two Pairs, Jacks and 4s £5.45  £6.55

6. Overall on this hand im not sure what to make of it at all. Pre i just forget how to play Small PPs at this level. Too long playing tournys and still got that tourny head on a little. Raise seemed the best opinion. But at this level is it? The flop a bit of a hit and miss really is cbetting fine?
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
Yeoman38 Small blind  £0.02 £0.02 £1.79
planet432 Big blind  £0.04 £0.06 £8.89
  Your hole cards
  • 7
  • 7
     
Yeayea77 Fold     
The_Don90 Raise  £0.20 £0.26 £3.74
lgs6k Fold     
parkway Call  £0.20 £0.46 £0.82
Yeoman38 Call  £0.18 £0.64 £1.61
planet432 Call  £0.16 £0.80 £8.73
Flop
   
  • 5
  • 6
  • 8
     
Yeoman38 Check     
planet432 Check     
The_Don90 Bet  £0.60 £1.40 £3.14
parkway Fold     
Yeoman38 Fold     
planet432 Fold     
The_Don90 Muck     
The_Don90 Win  £0.74  £3.88
The_Don90 Return  £0.60 £0.06 £4.48

Comments

  • edited August 2011
    Jesus, thats a lot of hands. I dont like your open sizes

    1. I sometimes check flop, if i bet it Im barrelling most turns esp that one. River meh its prob a fold, dont hate the call
    2 nh
    3 openfold pre, effective stacks too small. If I do play it I raise, I prob fold to the raise after limping even getting those odds
    4 bet flop, I prob b/f without good reads
    5 river call is ok I think this is nearly always a badly played monster or a hand that cant call a raise
    6 nh
  • edited August 2011
    wow a lot of hands, i'll do my best
    1/ definitely c/f river, other than that hand is played fine - you don't wanna pay those sort of value bets off readless, i used to make that mistake so often

    2/ ok

    3/ i just hardly ever limp pre in 6-max, i know what you're gonna say, villain is short stacked and if you raise he might shove and you don't wanna call off with J high, you'd rather see a cheap flop with a nice hand .... but just fold .. it's no problem .. post flop is ok

    4/ pretty standard flop c-bet imo

    5/ readless i'd just flat river but there are situations i shove

    6/ played fine, i'm no expert at NL4 but i'm definitely raising in that spot
  • edited August 2011
    1. Pre good, flop good, turn good, river probably fold as most likely calling for split.

    2. All good.

    3. Raise or fold pre I lean towards fold as short stack could easily jam and you can't call with J high.

    4. Pre good, flop bet 75%+, why the hell are you checking ?

    5. Pre, flop and turn good, river I shove here.

    6. Raise pre good, flop against 3 players not sure if cbet is right but it's not awful.
  • edited August 2011
    not read the other replies.. so im testing myself too lol

    1. i would bet turn also , and fold river as played.2. fine. not overplayed at all, although im making my preflop slightly smaller like 20p3.Im raising or folding pre. with 10j (im making it 16/20p) I dont limp even at nl4 unless im in late position with a small pair or suited ace. Obv get it in on the turn is fine.4. Bet the flop! you may hate it but you could still have best hand, and by
    checking you are losing value. as played bet bigger on the turn5. I would flat the river i think, because he could have the "4"6. played fine,, but i make my raises slightly smaller like 16p. and yes I would c bet that board every time with our holding.
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