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a serious and common problem
Over the last few weeks ive came to terms that making profits just isnt as easy as id like tbh. However i know if im ever to make profits consistantly i need to get away from tournaments and into the cash world.
There comes one of the most common problems for an MTT player. MTT variance is just high. Margins of winning and comming miles down the field now are just so small its impossible to consistanly win.
So my question, and i know ive asked this countless times before but i just cant seem to correct the issue. I cant change the midset to that required of cash.
The biggest issue i find. Is the inability to seperate myself from the differance between money and chips. People always tell me look at it as BBs lost rather than £'s lost. This is just something i cant quite figure out how to do. Im not at a loss to explain where i go from here as quite simply, i cant keep grinding the tournaments i am (500-70000 runners) because profits just arent there. With my weakness for cash i cant make profit as one losing hand leads to tilt because i think, oh god dammit i could have bought milk with that £2.
There comes one of the most common problems for an MTT player. MTT variance is just high. Margins of winning and comming miles down the field now are just so small its impossible to consistanly win.
So my question, and i know ive asked this countless times before but i just cant seem to correct the issue. I cant change the midset to that required of cash.
The biggest issue i find. Is the inability to seperate myself from the differance between money and chips. People always tell me look at it as BBs lost rather than £'s lost. This is just something i cant quite figure out how to do. Im not at a loss to explain where i go from here as quite simply, i cant keep grinding the tournaments i am (500-70000 runners) because profits just arent there. With my weakness for cash i cant make profit as one losing hand leads to tilt because i think, oh god dammit i could have bought milk with that £2.
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On the actual cash simply just play like a robot and you should be ok, here's my game once again for reference, and it does work as I'm playing NL8 now. Granted it's not LOLUFOLD territory yet but it's better than losing money.
Raise any position - 22+/QJs/KJ+/A10+/5x - UTG(I never like opening 4x UTG as have this fear of multi callers lol), 4x everywhere else +1 for every limper but more with BIG hands AA/KK/QQ/JJ/AK.
3bet - AA/KK/QQ/JJ/AK any position and at least triple their bet or just type a big number lol.
Flat raises - KQ/AJ/22-10's (maybe tight leaving out A10 but I personally don't like calling unless minraise, if it's suited maybe different, also 10's could be 3bet against short stacks who stack light)
NEVER OPEN LIMP, sometimes it can be ok to say limp after 2/3 callers with small pairs as likely to be multiway and that's good with sets.
On flop when hit TP/set/2 pair/overpair etc bet very strong at least 75%, NEVER CHECK RAISE. Even if you hit top set Aces on A72 board with two clubs it's still vunerable and even rainbow if you don't bet you don't win they call call down with anything most the time.
Turn bet again if think have best hand but if strong raise comes in be prepared to fold on dangerous boards if you have just overpair or TP but also some opponants can stack light so need to know these guys.
River if know have best hand and pot is small try a trcik Dohh taught me and over bet pot massive say 30p in pot bet 90p, if they have anything they'll call. If pot big say £3 bet pot or close to shove.
Big thing though is DON'T TILT, I personally have started doing something after playing for a while now and that is litually playing with ZERO emotion, whenever I lose to badbeat I just insta reload and play next hand but even if I win big hand like double up I just stay still don't celebrate or anything, take a breath than play next hand. It's a little strange but is really helpful as feeling big highs and lows is not good so treating it all as standard and not making a big thing out of any situation will help you stay in the zone.
Good luck mate, all the best.
Carl.
Im not sure if your comment about buying milk is serious, if it is stop playing no ifs no buts. You do need to think of losses in BBs, being properly rolled certainly helps. If you cant put in a 25BI+ roll for 4NL play tiny stakes SNGs somewhere until you grind up a roll. People will say you can do it with 10BI, but this is not the way for you to go if losing money is tilting you as a bad run could easily bust you and that will led to more tilt even if you redeposit. Something you can do that might help, is to maybe start standing from a table when you make a certain amount, a buy in maybe (less if you want), and lock that profit in. There are good reasons why people advise against this, but I think when you are low in confidence (which it seems you are to me from cash hands you have posted lately) and seem like losing big pots tilt you that this might be a good idea short term.
Also you say losing £2 tilts you, but you dont tilt losing tourneys? If losing £2 affects you that much you are not going to play optimally around bubble, in money in Mtts. Also some of your posts here are from sats, which I doubt is what you should be doing if you are worried about losing £2. I may be wrong, and this may be harsh on you, but it looks a little like you are hoping for 1 big score to solve all your problems with tilt, roll etc. It may happen it may not but it doesnt seem like a good way to try make yourself a more profitable player to me. Take shots, dont rely on them
Lastly, have you thought of playing SNGs as an alternative? Wont be as swingy as mtts, low stakes ones are very beatable and should be a good way to build a roll. I had a very decent winrate playing $10 6 seater sngs on another site, that was without doing any specific study on sngs and icm etc and I knew a lot less about poker than I do now. Low stakes DYMs are prob good too, although playing these would drive me insane
I've prob made some assumptions there that may not be valid, apologies if so Don, hope this might help a bit though
I have very similar issues as you in this regard, which is a big part of why I no longer habitually play online. If I felt I had better BRM I would plunge back in, but until I feel its an issue I can better manage, the end result will always be the same.
I dont fully agree that there isnt money in MTT or reasonable value in S+G's. It would always be my preffered format.
MTT is by definition always going to be HV, but standard S+G's 9 through 45 seats are an easier sample to quantify, but sadly it only seems that sky players prefer dym's and cash throughout the day. If there were more 9 seater S+G's it would be good.
But cash is equally HV IMO, there being pro's and cons in relation to risk aversion and getting paid.
I think it was Lol raise who made a quality comment on a thread months ago, regarding never having less than 500BI in your account. Making losing 1BI utterly immaterial, negating the tendancy to tilt that you mention
Yep typo, reads as 50. Hope fortune is favouring the brave
Seriously bad issue i suspect.
I see the question what games should i be playing for this size roll or how much do i need to play at this level asked a lot. Everyone is different and some people need more buy-ins to feel comfortable than others but if you take the fact that you could lose 3 buy-ins in a night then that should give you a better idea of where you should be.
If losing £12 is too much then cash is not for you at the moment, small buy in sng's and mtt's might be the best bet.
Poker should be enjoyable and it certainly won't be if you're losing money you can't afford to lose
Think of it the same if your playing 100BB's poker in an MTT, 100bb's is just 100bbs be it cash or MTT