Flipping all in money??

jams88

Short stacks pushing in cash games is it worth getting involved?

I know when i call that this is going to be around a 50/50 chance at best but i get to see all the cards for around 10 Bigs is it worth flipping for or should i let this slide?

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
SIMMO256	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£1.93
jams88	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£3.93
	Your hole cards	Q K
PokerAl	Fold
TCNTU09	All-in		£0.38	£0.44	£0.00
teddy991	Fold
bobcam	Fold
SIMMO256	Fold
jams88	Call		£0.34	£0.78	£3.59
jams88	Show	Q K
TCNTU09	Show	A 5
Flop
		10 8 4
Turn
		4
River
		3
TCNTU09	Win	Pair of 4s	£0.72		£0.72

grantorino

Depends what you think his shoving range is. You need around 44% equity to call. Pokerstove is a useful tool for calculating these, you can download it for free.You can see your equity against a range of hands

Readless I think its prob a fold

percival09

I'd usually always call this and i don't really know why lol! i'm probably wrong to do so though

PiAnOpLaYa

its 38p who cares

KQ suited looks really pretty so i call - If they push with A4 they push with any 2 broadway

percival09

In Response to Re: Flipping all in money??:

its 38p who cares KQ suited looks really pretty so i call - If they push with A4 they push with any 2 broadway
Posted by PiAnOpLaYa

that's definitely a bad way to think about it, it's still 10% of your stack, it's equivalent to calling £100 at £5/10 .. the actual money shouldn't come into play, just think of it of chips and the most profitable decision

CagSher

I play a lot of NL4 still, and this is a call for me, they push with such a small stack with any PP, and Ace, and often a Kxs or even Kxo..

so yes, for 8.5 BB's (when they are all in for that much) im calling all day with KQs at NL4

CagSher

In Response to Re: Flipping all in money??:

In Response to Re: Flipping all in money?? : that's definitely a bad way to think about it, it's still 10% of your stack, it's equivalent to calling £100 at £5/10 .. the actual money shouldn't come into play, just think of it of chips and the most profitable decision
Posted by percival09

sorry for double post..

I agree with your sentiment, and at £5/£10 it would be a fold, but since players at NL4 push SO light with such a small stack, and are SO poor in general, it's a call, not because it's only 38p, but because it's 8.5BB's against a player who's range is going to be huge to the point of mental, and is looking to just get them in with any 2 that look pretty, as it turned out it wasn't far off a 50/50 flip

grantorino

In Response to Re: Flipping all in money??:

its 38p who cares KQ suited looks really pretty so i call - If they push with A4 they push with any 2 broadway
Posted by PiAnOpLaYa

he should care if hes playing 4NL

I dont agree they necessarily shove all broadways if they shove A4, stoved some ranges its prob a call though

percival09

In Response to Re: Flipping all in money??:

In Response to Re: Flipping all in money?? : sorry for double post.. I agree with your sentiment, and at £5/£10 it would be a fold, but since players at NL4 push SO light with such a small stack, and are SO poor in general, it's a call, not because it's only 38p, but because it's 8.5BB's against a player who's range is going to be huge to the point of mental, and is looking to just get them in with any 2 that look pretty, as it turned out it wasn't far off a 50/50 flip
Posted by CagSher

I agree, I would call ... just wondering if it's actually profitable .. you're probably right about 4NL which makes it a call

Dudeskin8

Snap snap and then snap it off again.

rancid

In Response to Re: Flipping all in money??:

In Response to Re: Flipping all in money?? : I agree, I would call ... just wondering if it's actually profitable .. you're probably right about 4NL which makes it a call
Posted by percival09

It's a wide shove, low-mid pr or A raggy raggy

You can call these, most of the time it's low-mid pr  or paint

jams88

In Response to Re: Flipping all in money??:

In Response to Re: Flipping all in money?? : I agree, I would call ... just wondering if it's actually profitable .. you're probably right about 4NL which makes it a call
Posted by percival09

this is what i was wondering as im fairly sure im up against some sort of ace is it a profitable call without getting results orintaed as this situation happens a fiar bit in nl4

Dudeskin8

Personlly mate I've seen players do the same with liturally 100% of their range, I'd say you'd be unlucky to see an ace here.

Plus it's only bloody 34p ! Nah just jokin that's a bad way to play NL4 lolz.

jams88

In Response to Re: Flipping all in money??:

Personlly mate I've seen players do the same with liturally 100% of their range, I'd say you'd be unlucky to see an ace here. Plus it's only bloody 34p ! Nah just jokin that's a bad way to play NL4 lolz.
Posted by Dudeskin8

Cheers for the input espcially as i know you have played alot of nl4 and beaten it will definatly take this onboard
lol the 34p isint the end of the world by a long shot just wondered if it was -ve general opinion was its a good call though, happy days

NColley

I'm fairly happy to call here most times, kinda lols when they sit with 40p double it up to 80p then run though.

debdobs_67

Totally agree with dudeskin here ive seen abso any 2 hole cards played in this way and KQs defo is ahead of most shoves with the oppo's stack size

jams88

Thanks for the help everyone