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QQ after minraise and 3bet

Dudeskin8Dudeskin8
edited August 2011 in The Poker Clinic
No reads basically 1st hand I think.
Close Small blind   £0.05 £0.05 £1.36
Dudeskin8 Big blind   £0.10 £0.15 £9.90
  Your hole cards
  • Q
  • Q
     
KidBristow Fold        
keefey10 Call   £0.10 £0.25 £6.71
x Raise   £0.20 £0.45 £9.05
y Raise   £0.50 £0.95 £7.22
Close Fold        
Dudeskin8
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  • kidwizzz78kidwizzz78
    edited August 2011
    Just flat it see the flop and then re avaluate , but 2bh it gunan be tricky if flop comes a low one and then your faces with a pot bet only you can decide from then lol
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  • rancidrancid
    edited August 2011
    horrible feeling in my stomach
    flat and close action
    have no idea why the guy is min raising UTG+1
    3 bet guy is a worry

    3/4 c-bet any flop )

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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
    edited August 2011

    Let's make it £1.65 n get it in eh? :D
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  • grantorinograntorino
    edited August 2011
    At 10NL here readless I'd prob go with 4b/c

    rancid if we flat, why would we lead any flop. Also we dont close action
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8
    edited August 2011
    Well I wasn't crazy about the min 3bet but just felt my hand is too big to flat so raised with the intention of getting it in againt one opponant.
    Close Small blind   £0.05 £0.05 £1.36
    Dudeskin8 Big blind   £0.10 £0.15 £9.90
      Your hole cards
    • Q
    • Q
    		     
    KidBristow Fold        
    keefey10 Call   £0.10 £0.25 £6.71
    x Raise   £0.20 £0.45 £9.05
    y Raise   £0.50 £0.95 £7.22
    Close Fold        
    Dudeskin8 Raise   £1.80 £2.75 £8.10
    keefey10 Call   £1.80 £4.55 £4.91
    x All-in   £9.05 £13.60 £0.00
    y All-in   £7.22 £20.82 £0.00
    Dudeskin8
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  • debdobs_67debdobs_67
    edited August 2011
    Very nasty decision readless pre flop without ure reraise , BUT now its all in or fold ya canny let it go imo soooooooo ship it and hope ya good , gl xxx
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  • grantorinograntorino
    edited August 2011
    please tell me u didnt 4b/f QQ
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  • MacacanMacacan
    edited August 2011

    Ouch, i wouldn't like this spot with A's or K's. 5bet all in and a caller, i think i'm folding here. Youv'e got to believe your behind, it's a tempting call but is it worth stacking off?

    Mac

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  • rancidrancid
    edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: QQ after minraise and 3bet:
    At 10NL here readless I'd prob go with 4b/c rancid if we flat, why would we lead any flop. Also we dont close action
    Posted by grantorino
    my bad do we not close action :s
    -  - still flatting and leading any questionable flop ) If I flop set then I can adapt - I am not 4bet calling a shove or 4bet folding so....

    Also I have QQ, I am not check folding to a K or A high flop - rarther lead out as it's quite cheap and
    it wouldn't look weak, hopefully the opposite. If I have to b/f on the flop then so be it. Depending on flop but I could easily be getting it in or b/f, may even c/r shove.



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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8
    edited August 2011
    Against two I couldn't call...
    Close Small blind   £0.05 £0.05 £1.36
    Dudeskin8 Big blind   £0.10 £0.15 £9.90
      Your hole cards
    • Q
    • Q
    		     
    KidBristow Fold        
    keefey10 Call   £0.10 £0.25 £6.71
    c Raise   £0.20 £0.45 £9.05
    y Raise   £0.50 £0.95 £7.22
    Close Fold        
    Dudeskin8 Raise   £1.80 £2.75 £8.10
    keefey10 Call   £1.80 £4.55 £4.91
    c All-in   £9.05 £13.60 £0.00
    y All-in   £7.22 £20.82 £0.00
    Dudeskin8 Fold        
    keefey10 All-in   £4.91 £25.73 £0.00
    c Unmatched bet   £1.53 £24.20 £1.53
    keefey10 Show
    • A
    • 10
    		     
    c Show
    • A
    • J
    		     
    y Show
    • K
    • K
    		     
    Flop
       
    • K
    • 2
    • 2
    		     
    Turn
       
    • 6
    		     
    River
       
    • 7
    		     
    y Win Full House, Kings and 2s £22.80   £22.80
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  • MacacanMacacan
    edited August 2011
    Good lad :)

    Mac
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  • debdobs_67debdobs_67
    edited August 2011
    Well gd fold this time but vs randoms is this optimal over time ?? dunno xx
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
    edited August 2011
    Quality fold.
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  • grantorinograntorino
    edited August 2011
    Hate the 4bet if you are folding to a shove. Also you need to be pretty sure they wont show up with worse pairs or AK here, as you only need 26% equity to call.

    I dont mind not 4betting if you are not happy to get it in, but dont see any reason to 4b/f
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  • The_Don90The_Don90
    edited August 2011
    i like the 4bet although i dislike the 4-bet fold.

    Id amke a lot of notes on this mate. clearly good table selection long term.
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8
    edited August 2011
    LOL I was calling against one villain i.e the one who gets it all in pre w/AJ but when the other calls that all in after min3betting pre he has to have AA/KK imo, yes I could be clever and put one on AK and one on JJ but this just stank to me.

    In future if this happens again ( oh god please do not let it ) then I'll just flat wiv JJ/QQ and only 4bet wiv KK/AA lol although even wiv KK I'm burning money as shown in my BBV thread.....
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  • The_Don90The_Don90
    edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: QQ after minraise and 3bet:
    LOL I was calling against one villain i.e the one who gets it all in pre w/AJ but when the other calls that all in after min3betting pre he has to have AA/KK imo, yes I could be clever and put one on AK and one on JJ but this just stank to me. In future if this happens again ( oh god please do not let it ) then I'll just flat wiv JJ/QQ and only 4bet wiv KK/AA lol although even wiv KK I'm burning money as shown in my BBV thread.....
    Posted by Dudeskin8
    i really dont think flatting is good mate.
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8
    edited August 2011
    Well tbh I was stacking against ONE villain but when it's two it's not so clear cut, so would the general concensus be that a 4bet here is best but only call off against ONE villain or is flat ok as some posters have stated ?
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  • grantorinograntorino
    edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: QQ after minraise and 3bet:
    LOL I was calling against one villain i.e the one who gets it all in pre w/AJ but when the other calls that all in after min3betting pre he has to have AA/KK imo, yes I could be clever and put one on AK and one on JJ but this just stank to me. In future if this happens again ( oh god please do not let it ) then I'll just flat wiv JJ/QQ and only 4bet wiv KK/AA lol although even wiv KK I'm burning money as shown in my BBV thread.....
    Posted by Dudeskin8
    I think you can flat if you want pre.

    Why do you think other villain has to have AA,KK? Does he really fold AK, JJ here? . Also if opener folds are you getting it in v KK guy?.

    Obv they sometimes have KK,AA but I'm not sure these guys ever 3b/f , and you dont need to be good that often to get it in
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  • debdobs_67debdobs_67
    edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: QQ after minraise and 3bet:
    In Response to Re: QQ after minraise and 3bet : I think you can flat if you want pre. Why do you think other villain has to have AA,KK? Does he really fold AK, JJ here? . Also if opener folds are you getting it in v KK guy?. Obv they sometimes have KK,AA but I'm not sure these guys ever 3b/f , and you dont need to be good that often to get it in
    Posted by grantorino
    Yeah this is my thinkin here , at this level vs randoms if this is replayed 100 times surely its gotta be profitable ? xx
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8
    edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: QQ after minraise and 3bet:
    In Response to Re: QQ after minraise and 3bet : I think you can flat if you want pre. Why do you think other villain has to have AA,KK? Does he really fold AK, JJ here? . Also if opener folds are you getting it in v KK guy?. Obv they sometimes have KK,AA but I'm not sure these guys ever 3b/f , and you dont need to be good that often to get it in
    Posted by grantorino
    Yes and then I guess it's just a cooler but at least vs 1 villain there's a higher chance he can have JJ/AK.
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