Have to fold?

Dudeskin8

Both seem pretty stationy from recent hands, limp any hand call any raise etc.

y	Small blind		£0.05	£0.05	£5.70
noose_one	Big blind		£0.10	£0.15	£8.64
	Your hole cards	Q Q
chefben07	Fold
jamboGJ	Fold
x	Call		£0.10	£0.25	£10.60
Dudeskin8	Raise		£0.40	£0.65	£10.13
y	Call		£0.35	£1.00	£5.35
noose_one	Call		£0.30	£1.30	£8.34
x	Call		£0.30	£1.60	£10.30
Flop
		5 K 4
y	Bet		£0.30	£1.90	£5.05
noose_one	Fold
x	Call		£0.30	£2.20	£10.00
Dudeskin8

unknown_username

Yeah, i would say so. A bet and a call increases the chances of one of em having it. You cant get married to your hand i'm afraid.

Lambert180

You love them poker cliches don't ya DrSharp. Obviously watching too much poker tv lol.

Does your bet sizing change much from 4NL to 10NL Dude because I didn't think it would and if it was 4NL I'm definitely raising alot more than 4X with QQ. I hear there's still loads of fish at 10NL and 4X isn't going to get rid of junk hands so I dunno how strong a hand actually is to call 4x pre, especially when you've said they're stations.

unknown_username

In Response to Re: Have to fold?:

You love them poker cliches don't ya DrSharp. Obviously watching too much poker tv lol. Does your bet sizing change much from 4NL to 10NL Dude because I didn't think it would and if it was 4NL I'm definitely raising alot more than 4X with QQ. I hear there's still loads of fish at 10NL and 4X isn't going to get rid of junk hands so I dunno how strong a hand actually is to call 4x pre, especially when you've said they're stations.
Posted by Lambert180

Its that bloomin' Tikay! lol

percival09

In Response to Re: Have to fold?:

You love them poker cliches don't ya DrSharp. Obviously watching too much poker tv lol. Does your bet sizing change much from 4NL to 10NL Dude because I didn't think it would and if it was 4NL I'm definitely raising alot more than 4X with QQ. I hear there's still loads of fish at 10NL and 4X isn't going to get rid of junk hands so I dunno how strong a hand actually is to call 4x pre, especially when you've said they're stations.
Posted by Lambert180

Why should he raise more pre to get rid of junk hands? you want junk hands to play

4X is ok IP with 1 limper

fwiw i'd fold 

Lambert180

In Response to Re: Have to fold?:

In Response to Re: Have to fold? : Why should he raise more pre to get rid of junk hands? you want junk hands to play 4X is ok IP with 1 limper fwiw i'd fold 
Posted by percival09

Well yeah you want junk hands in but you don't want it 4way or 5way with junk hands because its very unlikely you're queens are going to hold up. Alot of the time, making it bigger not only reduces the field to say 3way maybe HU where you're more likely to win AND you've bet bigger so you've increased the size of the pot (which you intend to win) so you can bet bigger down the streets.

rancid

sigh fold

rancid

In Response to Re: Have to fold?:

In Response to Re: Have to fold? : Well yeah you want junk hands in but you don't want it 4way or 5way with junk hands because its very unlikely you're queens are going to hold up. Alot of the time, making it bigger not only reduces the field to say 3way maybe HU where you're more likely to win AND you've bet bigger so you've increased the size of the pot (which you intend to win) so you can bet bigger down the streets.
Posted by Lambert180

raise for value not to get players to fold :S the worse the players are the more you can raise
you want them to play with worse hands, his raise sizing of 4x is fine, 3x @NL10 is standard.

yb

call and hit a queen imo