2 MTT hands.....

DOHHHHHHH

I'm gonna post the whole hands, coz there are multiple spots in each hand where I am unsure. If the results influence pplz opinions then w/e but I cba to post in stages.

Anyway, hand 1....

The guy isn't v good.

He's limp/called the button w.78s, and called a cbet 3 ways with the bad end of a gutshot, and checked behind turn and riv when he missed.

What do you do when he donk leads thatflop?

1)

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
jabbawokki	Small blind		40.00	40.00	4560.00
SlickJim	Big blind		80.00	120.00	4770.00
	Your hole cards	10 10
flipgirl	Fold
xxx	Call		80.00	200.00	1410.00
DOHHHHHHH	Raise		295.00	495.00	4762.50
aceMace	Fold
jabbawokki	Fold
SlickJim	Fold
xxx	Call		215.00	710.00	1195.00
Flop
		K 5 9
xxx	Bet		80.00	790.00	1115.00
DOHHHHHHH	Raise		480.00	1270.00	4282.50
xxx	All-in		1115.00	2385.00	0.00
DOHHHHHHH	Call		715.00	3100.00	3567.50
xxx	Show	7 K
DOHHHHHHH	Show	10 10
Turn
		5
River
		9
xxx	Win	Two Pairs, Kings and 9s	3100.00		3100.00

2)

Notes on the big blind is that he cold called the bb with JJ after a limp on the button and my raise from sb, he called 1 bet with the jacks on a Q high flop, and checked behind turn and riv 3 handed, I won with KQ.

Can I fold pre? I dnt think I can????

Can I fold the turn???? - I dnt think I can either.

I guess my check on the flop could be a talking point but I'm happy with that part. If you disagree, let me know.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
aceMace	Small blind		75.00	75.00	11425.00
SlickJim	Big blind		150.00	225.00	5320.00
	Your hole cards	Q A
flipgirl	Fold
bigritchy	Call		150.00	375.00	1800.00
DOHHHHHHH	Raise		600.00	975.00	3067.50
aceMace	Raise		975.00	1950.00	10450.00
SlickJim	Fold
bigritchy	Fold
DOHHHHHHH	Call		450.00	2400.00	2617.50
Flop
		A K 5
aceMace	Check
DOHHHHHHH	Check
Turn
		3
aceMace	All-in		10450.00	12850.00	0.00
DOHHHHHHH	All-in		2617.50	15467.50	0.00
aceMace	Unmatched bet		7832.50	7635.00	7832.50
aceMace	Show	A A
DOHHHHHHH	Show	Q A
River
		K
aceMace	Win	Full House, Aces and Kings	7635.00		15467.50

grantorino

1 Dont know what he donks but wtf are you raising for?

2 Meh idk maybe you can fold. Dont really think you can flat tbh. Postflop I like, If I call pre Im not folding postflop if I hit TP

DOHHHHHHH

In Response to Re: 2 MTT hands.....:

1 Dont know what he donks but wtf are you raising for? 2 Meh idk maybe you can fold. Dont really think you can flat tbh. Postflop I like, If I call pre Im not folding postflop if I hit TP
Posted by grantorino

Protection? I dunno, If he donks min like that and I flat, aren't I just saying, "ok go on make me fold on the turn......?"

The last hand where I recieved a comment like that from u and others, I totally agreed, and posted it 100% for image purposes, but this time It's coz I'm rly not sure!

I don't think he folds a draw, which is why I wanna get it in, duz he do that with a king? 

He's totally owned me obv

grantorino

In Response to Re: 2 MTT hands.....:

In Response to Re: 2 MTT hands..... : Protection? I dunno, If he donks min like that and I flat, aren't I just saying, "ok go on make me fold on the turn......?" The last hand where I recieved a comment like that from u and others, I totally agreed, and posted it 100% for image purposes, but this time It's coz I'm rly not sure! I don't think he folds a draw, which is why I wanna get it in, duz he do that with a king?  He's totally owned me obv
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

Well what range does he donk with? Lets say he gets it in with Kx or better and draws, prob folds the rest (ie worse pairs ,air). You are in bad shape against a range of Kx+ and draws, as a lot of his draws have at least one over. This is why I dont like raising, you fold out the worse hands and get it in against a range that beats you

The_Don90

1) donk re-raise the dibk bet this deep. Im all for it but this deep to ur re-raise ur stuck in the hand and you hate too many actions.

2) cooler ul. - why do u heck flop

grantorino

Sorry, Didnt notice donk was so small, raising maybe not so bad, although I think I still flat 

NColley

Grrr hand 1 becomes player related, I swear ever since ed giddins said he likes this donk minbet more and more players are doing it. I probs get it all in vs bad players here too.

Hand 2 - once I'm in pre I can't fold here, if you was trapping with the check behind on flop then its kinda obvious that can never fold this blank turn.

DOHHHHHHH

In Response to Re: 2 MTT hands.....:

1) donk re-raise the dibk bet this deep. Im all for it but this deep to ur re-raise ur stuck in the hand and you hate too many actions. 2) cooler ul. - why do u heck flop
Posted by The_Don90

I check the flop in position coz I don't need to bet to get stacks in by the river, that should be easy enough.

I think I'm either miles ahead, or miles behind, he has like AA/KK/AK, or I'm winning..... (against hands like QQ/JJ) etc.......

So if I bet, he just folds when Im winning, and if he tries to get it in, life is grim for me! lol

Also no scare cards on the turn given the kinda hands he 3bets me pre with.

Pretty comfortable with the check behind on the flop, dunno what others think.

rancid

1. if he bad and he donks it is what it is TP 

your raise is just bad i think unless your bluffing and you put him on TPWK 

a call is probably best here, you may get to showdown cheap

2. check flop is ok, is this to induce because it's either that or you worried about AK/KK

What is he checking flop with AND shoving turn that you beat - <AJ OR <QQ - if you know he will make this move if you check then ok, other than that it's a fold

Dudeskin8

1. I just flat, raising surely only gets called by a K and folds out all bluffs ?

2. I might 4bet shove pre, on flop when checked to I snap shove.

percival09

1 - i just flat turn bet - as played it's always going in

2 - i think it's ok, i probz go broke aswell

debdobs_67

1 Ya gotta give em credit some times

2 ul

Wilhelm

In the 1st hand I see this min donk a lot and maybe about half the time it's a King.  I would call the flop and re-assess on the turn, prob fold if he bets more than 2/3 pot, but I think that he could easily just min bet again.

I like the 2nd hand.

LOL_RAISE

i think h2 is a fold, but i probably wouldnt ingame. i play pre/flop the same

grantorino

Am I the only one who thinks flatting pre is bad in hand 2?

Dudeskin8

In Response to Re: 2 MTT hands.....:

Am I the only one who thinks flatting pre is bad in hand 2?
Posted by grantorino

Yh I did mention 4betting pre, it's probably shove fold imo

pod1

i think a flat on hand 2 is good grantorino, i aint re popping it even on the button, if they re pop you from either blinds you are in bad shape with a scarey hand. any ace on the flop, do you think your good? no ace comes now what?. i would flat pre, call the raise. think i can fold turn to, but i am very nitty.

Dudeskin8

In Response to Re: 2 MTT hands.....:

i think a flat on hand 2 is good grantorino, i aint re popping it even on the button, if they re pop you from either blinds you are in bad shape with a scarey hand. any ace on the flop, do you think your good? no ace comes now what?. i would flat pre, call the raise. think i can fold turn to, but i am very nitty.
Posted by pod1

If you call pre and hit TP why the hell would you then fold?  If you're gonna fold then it might as well be pre.

grantorino

In Response to Re: 2 MTT hands.....:

i think a flat on hand 2 is good grantorino, i aint re popping it even on the button, if they re pop you from either blinds you are in bad shape with a scarey hand. any ace on the flop, do you think your good? no ace comes now what?. i would flat pre, call the raise. think i can fold turn to, but i am very nitty.
Posted by pod1

Well we are just over 20BB deep and have seen the guy flat a raise bvb with JJ. We miss 2/3 of the time, a Q wont be good always, sometimes our A isnt good (and if it is we wont stack him that often), so explain how flatting is good. For me fold />>shove>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>flat, even though his 3bet is small. All of what your saying about repopping it applies to flatting, except at least if we repop we get to see 5 cards

offshoot

hand 2, why call pre? I would be extremely unhappy about putting any more chips in the pot once he checks flop but because you have so much invested i probably call, if you had a bit more chips its a fold.