focusing on pre flop at NL4. Facing limp raise with QQ

The_Don90

Ok ive been on this table for half a circle when this hand crops around. I have no notes on the villian.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
BLUFKING	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£2.21
crosscheck	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£2.47
	Your hole cards	Q Q
villan	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£4.37
OhDancing1	Call		£0.04	£0.14	£2.86
The_Don90	Raise		£0.28	£0.42	£3.66
Slimjim100	Fold
BLUFKING	Fold
crosscheck	Call		£0.24	£0.66	£2.23
villan	Raise		£0.48	£1.14	£3.89
OhDancing1	Fold
The_Don90	Raise		£1.20	£2.34	£2.46
crosscheck	Fold
villan	Call		£0.96	£3.30	£2.93

jugglegeek

See what he does on the flop but I think he has a smaller pair than you and doesn't know how to play it. I'd say 55 up to TT.

He thinks if he flat calls then he can fold if he doesn't hit a set. He will either bet big on the flop in which case you put him all in, or he will check in which case you put him all in and he likely folds.

His min raise is likely him thinking that you may fold (lol!). I would have gone all in at this point to take the pot down there and then, but his flat call at the end doesn't make sense with AK. Even for a total donk. Even the idiots at NL4 know to get it in pre with AA and KK.

Worst case scenario he has a raggy ace or king. Most likely you are 4:1 infront against a lower pair here. GL

rancid

god knows what he has lol
he should be 5 bet shoving or folding :S

feels like AK - or a fish playing AA slighly

tbh NL4 player sometimes do things that make no sense to you and me :S

I would play the flop like he has AK

The_Don90

In Response to Re: focusing on pre flop at NL4. Facing limp raise with QQ:

See what he does on the flop but I think he has a smaller pair than you and doesn't know how to play it. I'd say 55 up to TT. He thinks if he flat calls then he can fold if he doesn't hit a set. He will either bet big on the flop in which case you put him all in, or he will check in which case you put him all in and he likely folds. His min raise is likely him thinking that you may fold (lol!). I would have gone all in at this point to take the pot down there and then, but his flat call at the end doesn't make sense with AK. Even for a total donk. Even the idiots at NL4 know to get it in pre with AA and KK. Worst case scenario he has a raggy ace or king. Most likely you are 4:1 infront against a lower pair here. GL
Posted by jugglegeek

this was the other option i was considering and why i posted this focusing only on pre flop rather than post aswell.

N1CK

4bet jam pre they will call with more worse hands than the two that beat you

jam for value you dont want to take the pot down you want the lot

debdobs_67

Agree with nick just stick it in pre

TommyD

At 4nl I have seen this be pocket sevens plenty of times.

Shove-ability.

The_Don90

In Response to Re: focusing on pre flop at NL4. Facing limp raise with QQ:

At 4nl I have seen this be pocket sevens plenty of times. Shove-ability.
Posted by TommyD

board reader tommy

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
BLUFKING	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£2.21
crosscheck	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£2.47
	Your hole cards	Q Q
villian	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£4.37
OhDancing1	Call		£0.04	£0.14	£2.86
The_Don90	Raise		£0.28	£0.42	£3.66
Slimjim100	Fold
BLUFKING	Fold
crosscheck	Call		£0.24	£0.66	£2.23
villian	Raise		£0.48	£1.14	£3.89
OhDancing1	Fold
The_Don90	Raise		£1.20	£2.34	£2.46
crosscheck	Fold
villian	Call		£0.96	£3.30	£2.93
Flop
		2 7 7
villian	Check
The_Don90	All-in		£2.46	£5.76	£0.00
villian	Call		£2.46	£8.22	£0.47

rancid

well what was the result JJ/1010 ?

Dudeskin8

Once he 3bets he ain't folding get it in and run into Aces lol

DOHHHHHHH

Played fine, shove almost every flop for value.

The_Don90

In Response to Re: focusing on pre flop at NL4. Facing limp raise with QQ:

well what was the result JJ/1010 ?
Posted by rancid

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
BLUFKING	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£2.21
crosscheck	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£2.47
	Your hole cards	Q Q
villian	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£4.37
OhDancing1	Call		£0.04	£0.14	£2.86
The_Don90	Raise		£0.28	£0.42	£3.66
Slimjim100	Fold
BLUFKING	Fold
crosscheck	Call		£0.24	£0.66	£2.23
villian	Raise		£0.48	£1.14	£3.89
OhDancing1	Fold
The_Don90	Raise		£1.20	£2.34	£2.46
crosscheck	Fold
villian	Call		£0.96	£3.30	£2.93
Flop
		2 7 7
villian	Check
The_Don90	All-in		£2.46	£5.76	£0.00
villian	Call		£2.46	£8.22	£0.47
villian	Show	2 2
The_Don90	Show	Q Q
Turn
		A
River
		6
villian	Win	Full House, 2s and 7s	£7.60		£8.07

Dudeskin8

LOL nh.

YOUNG_GUN

Badbeat yawn you really should be 4 bet shoving here, even as player you have to shove any flop. really should go all in pre here

rancid

In Response to Re: focusing on pre flop at NL4. Facing limp raise with QQ:

Badbeat yawn you really should be 4 bet shoving here, even as player you have to shove any flop. really should go all in pre here
Posted by YOUNG_GUN

Your more likely to get a mid-high (JJ) pr to stack on a 7 high board then pre though 

Don't beat yourself up Don ) You played it ok

If the guy had QQ+ then he is going to shove pre so you kinda know your ahead or v AK the majority of the time.

So getting a pr to stack on a nice flop for them I think is ok. 

I do this a lot at NL4 and constantly get called by mid pr's up to JJ.

The_Don90

In Response to Re: focusing on pre flop at NL4. Facing limp raise with QQ:

In Response to Re: focusing on pre flop at NL4. Facing limp raise with QQ : Your more likely to get a mid-high (JJ) pr to stack on a 7 high board then pre though  Don't beat yourself up Don ) You played it ok If the guy had QQ+ then he is going to shove pre so you kinda know your ahead or v AK the majority of the time. So getting a pr to stack on a nice flop for them I think is ok.  I do this a lot at NL4 and constantly get called by mid pr's up to JJ.
Posted by rancid

im not beating myself up a all, i fedlt i could have played this better by shoving pre, hense the post only showing pre flop. i think its same outcome tbh.