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Was I right to ignore the possibilty of a bigger overpair?
| Player | Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | Balance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Lambert180 | Small blind | £0.02 | £0.02 | £3.88 | |
| Spence86 | Big blind | £0.04 | £0.06 | £1.16 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| elliam4401 | Raise | £0.20 | £0.26 | £3.64 | |
| usoges24 | Fold | ||||
| golfman28 | Fold | ||||
| Lambert180 | Call | £0.18 | £0.44 | £3.70 | |
| Spence86 | Fold | ||||
| Flop | |||||
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| Lambert180 | Bet | £0.64 | £1.08 | £3.06 | |
| elliam4401 | Call | £0.64 | £1.72 | £3.00 | |
| Turn | |||||
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| Lambert180 | All-in | £3.06 | £4.78 | £0.00 | |
| elliam4401 | All-in | £3.00 | £7.78 | £0.00 | |
| Lambert180 | Unmatched bet | £0.06 | £7.72 | £0.06 | |
| Lambert180 | Show |
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| elliam4401 | Show |
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| River | |||||
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| elliam4401 | Win | Pair of Queens | £7.14 | £7.14 | |
Comments
c/c flop
Yes you completely overplayed your hand. The worst hand you get called by on turn is 9x, and there are more hands that beat you than 9x in his range
Why the big overbets? Hate them readless
At these levels you do get alot of passive players so if I check the flop and he checks behind am I not missing out on value from 9x hands?
But yeah I think the turn was the major mistake, can't really argue with that.
I replied to your PM by the way... have you checked it when drunk and forgot about it again?
OP - reraise pre flop
as played i think it is almost impossible to get away from the overpair at nl4 as im assuming stacking off with top pair is common.
Dont like the donk, it allows him fold most worse hands and if he raises it sucks (although I assume you were happy getting it in?)
EDIT: Just see doh beat me to it
Yeah on the flop, I'm happy getting it in.
Also while it may be ok to stack off that doesnt mean you should stack off in a way that narrows the range of worse hands that can call almost as much as is possible
also, you havent played this in anyway which suggests you are set mining. when you miss a set when you are set mining do you regularly lead flop and shove turn?
a reraise pre will allow you to have much more info and can held narrow the range of hands you put your opponent on.
in the hand posted re raising pre would have saved you money as it is not difficult to get away from 10 10 if villain reraises you here.
No I don't normally play like this on a set mine. A few seconds of lacking in discipline lead me to deviate from my normal game and get overattached to me having an overpair to the board. I disagree with re-raising TT pre because a very high % of the time, I'm just check/folding the flop and when I do manage to hit my 10, it's not hard to build a quick pot at these levels because people call off light.
The fact that raising would have saved me money in this one hand does not mean it's the most profitable way to play long term. Also, what if he flat calls with AK or AQ or JJ or AJ, what have I learnt?
i never play 4nl but surely people at this level are raising pre flop with some hands in the range of 22-99 and suited Ax type hands?????
dont they raise with suited connectors?
with the hand you have posted you seem to have undervalued your 10 10 pre flop then overvalued it post flop.
I just played this one hand really badly basically. I don't think I really undervalued it pre but I deffo overvalued it post.
im not familiar with 4nl at all but it sounds like decent players are just sitting waiting for massive hands knowing they will get called. you will have to adjust this as you move up the limits though as you will be looking to push smaller edges than just assuming people will stack easily to you
like you said the hand posted looks like a mistake. still think its hard to fold though with the info you have during the hand.
Sometimes it can get a bit monotonous but it's a fairly easy way to build myself a BR where I can take shots at higher levels.
I dont like 3betting TT readless against an UTG open, esp at 4NL. I'm not familiar with ranges, but I would think they dont auto raise Arag, suited connectors or very small pairs, and they will prob fold these to 3bets, apart from maybe the pairs. If they 4bet it sucks, but I'm not sure we can really 3b/f a hand as strong as TT readless. Also if they flat postflop may well be awkward readless as well, even ip, doubt we can rule out bigger pairs. I agree if we flat pre though we shouldnt just be setmining.
Lambert, I really think you played the hand in a manner which minimised the value you could get from worse hands with the overbet leads, seems to me like you just valuetown yourself too often with this line and make worse hands fold lots
Thanks for the feedback.
That's the thing. Generally players limp in with their entire range. I've had KQ on the button, raised and hit a dry king high flop only to find that the cut-off had limp called with AK. Open raises are so rare that they are genearlly only made by regs that know what they are doing and it's best to avoid calling them unless you have a strong hand
Overbetting that flop will scare off all hands that you are beating other then 9x type hands and general noobs that have no clue how to play. Overpairs to the board are not the nuts.
It may only be 4nl but you still need to think what hand range is going to call an overbet donk lead and the answer is generally always going to be a strong hand since the opponent will usually assume that another bet will happen.