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deepstack £2.20

spornybolspornybol
edited September 2011 in Community Suggestions
could the prize be changed, if 99 runners top 10 paid but as soon as 100 hits, it`s top 20.

so if 100 runners, between 11 and 20 get £2,02 ?? still down

why can it be top 15 paid at least there`s a small profit.

yes i know this has been saiid before but it`s about time you started to listen and sort it.

as soon i see 100ish i pull out as it`s not worth my time.

fair enough with DTD monday as there are plenty then

edit - this is 101 runner and your still down
10th£4.04 + 2 League Points
11th£2.02 + 1 League Points
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited September 2011

    Yes - below 100 players seem more profitable

    100 players and you have to finish in top 10 to make a profit

    £2.20 Entry ( minus 18p down)


    bandit66010£4.04 + 2 League Points
    POKERTREV011£2.02 + 1 League Points
    MACNEIL13012£2.02 + 1 League Points
    niko38013£2.02 + 1 League Points
    JTiz014£2.02 + 1 League Points
    thebil123015£2.02 + 1 League Points
    FLASHJONNY016£2.02 + 1 League Points
    moonshade017£2.02 + 1 League Points
    Deja_Vu018£2.02 + 1 League Points
    archdigger019£2.02 + 1 League Points
    COBRA207020£2.02 + 1 League Points
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  • bornabladebornablade
    edited September 2011
    good points well made, min cash should mean u at least make a little profit,
    as sporny says if it was top 15 you could pay 11th to 15th £ 3 ish and up 10th to 1st with the difference
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  • moorey80moorey80
    edited September 2011
     tottaly agree most tourny's need to change...
    sat four and a half hours to get money back other day felt like going to the financial osbudsman servise to complain as no one listens on here
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  • BeastieBoyBeastieBoy
    edited September 2011
    Agree.  A min cash should at least cover the buy-in AND fee, not just the buy-in.
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  • FlyingDaggFlyingDagg
    edited September 2011

    Top 15 sounds a good idea. A big field puts me off a bit (except for DTD) because if you have a field of say 120 runners you know that by the time you get to the final table it's going to be a shove fest. The most enjoyable DS I played in, and not just because I cashed, was one with about 50 runners so top 5 paid but on final table everyone had a decent stack to blinds ratio. Lots of play in the game and everyone loved it.

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  • Deja_VuDeja_Vu
    edited September 2011
    Hi, 

    Agree Sporny - this was a long tourny it took about 3 hours to get to that stage (I think) to find I had made a loss.  This doesn't seem to make sense to me.  Even a very small profit of say 50p would have been appreciated after all that hard work, any profit even, or the return of the total buy in at least.

    Thanks.
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  • SpikeladSpikelad
    edited September 2011
    I play the deepstacks but have to agree with Spornybol on this.
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  • HITMAN_RVHITMAN_RV
    edited September 2011
    bump & agree with Sporny!!
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  • waller02waller02
    edited September 2011
    yeah fully agree, it's sooo frustrating when you play for 2.5+hrs to cash and still end up 20 odd p down.

    having the top 15 paid would be far far better!!!
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  • IRISHROVERIRISHROVER
    edited September 2011


    yep defo agree  ,
    maybe 10 rather then 15 ,
    but either is a big improvement .
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  • BrrrrrrrBrrrrrrr
    edited September 2011
    Yes, a very good idea - certainly one that Sky bosses should seriously consider.
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  • jjjachjjjach
    edited September 2011
    I'm with you sporn, top 10 or 15 would be groovy.
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  • imberimber
    edited September 2011
    yes - i agree totally - i've even gone back to playing the 815 deepy instead because the lower prizes do not seem to reflect 3.5 hours effort - i think i'd rather have nothing than lose a few pence!!!!
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  • scorpio13scorpio13
    edited September 2011
    Totally agree! A change needs to be made ASAP!!
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  • belsibubbelsibub
    edited September 2011
    Top 15 at 100 runners 20 at 150, 25 at 200 rather than up 10 every 100.10 every 100 is good if you get 199 but 1 more 10 more pay-outs 1 buy-in in the pot and the less runners the worse it seems to be.Also not convinced on the over all pay out percentages seem a little top heavy 68-70% top 6 ,77-80% top 10.Winners seem  to get about 25% usually 25 to 28 times their buy-in excluding the fee is this amount roi needed?
    £2.02 for 11th to 20th means that the top 10 took  90% of the prize pool(worse than my examples but could not see 1 with 101 runners)If this pay out structure stayed the same 10% for 11th-20th paid and there were 199 runners(prize pool £398) they would get £3.98 but only 10% of the field get paid mmmm.
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  • belsibubbelsibub
    edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: deepstack £2.20:
    yep defo agree  , maybe 10 rather then 15 , but either is a big improvement .
    Posted by IRISHROVER
    That means 90% of the field would not cash(and that is only for 100 ,if 20 is 200 then could end up 199 10 cash(189) 95% don't) seems a bit harsh and might put people off entering.Everyone plays for the win but how often is that going to happen the odd cash now and then can make a big difference not to the bankroll but in the attitude of a player and the amount they play.So it is a balancing act between the amount that get paid and prize pool and how it gets split up.
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  • DazlerDazler
    edited September 2011
    bump what everyone has said
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  • MADMOOMADMOO
    edited September 2011

    I agree, very annoying when you cash for less than the buy in.

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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited September 2011
    I believe a cash should always at least cover the buyin (or half if B/H)
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  • 67Bhoys67Bhoys
    edited September 2011
    Totally agree Sporny mate, as you know we both regularly play deepstacks and always encounter the same problem when the field approaches 100.

    I also deregister sometimes from them and register for the later ones that have a smaller field.

    Sort this Anomaly out Sky please.
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  • spornybolspornybol
    edited September 2011
    THANKS FOR SUPPORT GUYS JUST ASKED ON TWITTER FOR MORE SUPPORT, SHAME NO-ONE FROM SKY SUITS HAS REPLIED AS YET.
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  • Kiwini4uKiwini4u
    edited September 2011

    I totally agree with everything thats been said, I've bumped this up to Sky Towers so hopefully someone will take a look at it for you.

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  • Deja_VuDeja_Vu
    edited September 2011
    Hi all,

    Thanks sporny for raising this and thanks for great feedback - I just looked back at my tournie - I'm not a maths person (lol playing poker!) - is the prize money done on a set/strict % payout whatever the tournie and it's just happened because it's 101  players.  - an oddity as such. Surely very slightly less at the top would would easily resolve this.  Even easier I suppose would be top 15. Here is the tournie I played in - note poker trev 11th (a loss of 18p and myself 18th same loss). I actually decided not to play one last night as I now look for this and saw the same thing happening. Thanks Kiwini4u for passing this on.


    meggie065050001£54.54 + 20 League Pointssvaines8402£31.71 + 16 League Pointshustler25903£22.22 + 14 League PointsTheOAP04£18.18 + 12 League PointsEL_BAYLEAF05£14.75 + 10 League PointsSHELL16506£12.12 + 8 League Pointsice8307£10.10 + 6 League Pointscolthedog08£8.08 + 4 League PointsGREENIGE09£6.06 + 3 League Pointsbandit66010£4.04 + 2 League PointsPOKERTREV011£2.02 + 1 League PointsMACNEIL13012£2.02 + 1 League Pointsniko38013£2.02 + 1 League PointsJTiz014£2.02 + 1 League Pointsthebil123015£2.02 + 1 League PointsFLASHJONNY016£2.02 + 1 League Pointsmoonshade017£2.02 + 1 League PointsDeja_Vu018£2.02 + 1 League Pointsarchdigger019£2.02 + 1 League PointsCOBRA207020£2.02 + 1 League Points
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  • belsibubbelsibub
    edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: deepstack £2.20:
    Hi all, Thanks sporny for raising this and thanks for great feedback - I just looked back at my tournie - I'm not a maths person (lol playing poker!) - is the prize money done on a set/strict % payout whatever the tournie and it's just happened because it's 101  players.  - an oddity as such. Surely very slightly less at the top would would easily resolve this.  Even easier I suppose would be top 15. Here is the tournie I played in - note poker trev 11th (a loss of 18p and myself 18th same loss). I actually decided not to play one last night as I now look for this and saw the same thing happening. Thanks Kiwini4u for passing this on. meggie06 505000 1 £54.54 + 20 League Points svaines84 0 2 £31.71 + 16 League Points hustler259 0 3 £22.22 + 14 League Points TheOAP 0 4 £18.18 + 12 League Points EL_BAYLEAF 0 5 £14.75 + 10 League Points SHELL165 0 6 £12.12 + 8 League Points ice83 0 7 £10.10 + 6 League Points colthedog 0 8 £8.08 + 4 League Points GREENIGE 0 9 £6.06 + 3 League Points bandit66 0 10 £4.04 + 2 League Points POKERTREV 0 11 £2.02 + 1 League Points MACNEIL13 0 12 £2.02 + 1 League Points niko38 0 13 £2.02 + 1 League Points JTiz 0 14 £2.02 + 1 League Points thebil123 0 15 £2.02 + 1 League Points FLASHJONNY 0 16 £2.02 + 1 League Points moonshade 0 17 £2.02 + 1 League Points Deja_Vu 0 18 £2.02 + 1 League Points archdigger 0 19 £2.02 + 1 League Points COBRA207 0 20 £2.02 + 1 League Points
    Posted by Deja_Vu
    The tournament in question pays out as so 27% of the prize pool to the winner, 2nd 15.7%, 3rd 11%, 4th 9%, 5th 7.3%, 6th 6%, 7th 5%, 8th 4%, 9th  3%, 10th 2% and 11th to 20th 1%.So between 100-199 players this seems to be the standard pay out structure(obv changes when 30+ get paid) 90% to the top 10 and 10% to the other 10.
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  • spornybolspornybol
    edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: deepstack £2.20:
    I totally agree with everything thats been said, I've bumped this up to Sky Towers so hopefully someone will take a look at it for you.
    Posted by Kiwini4u
    TY KIWI, HOPEFULLY THEY WILL TAKE NOTE, ENTERED 9.15PM AS SOON AS 100 HIT NOT WORTH PLAYING, ALL YOU`D GET IS BUY BACK.

    O.K YOU GET FREE GAME FOR 3+ HRS PLAY IF BETWEEN 11TH AND 20TH BUT STILL WOULD PREFER A PROFIT NOT MONEY BACK
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  • spornybolspornybol
    edited September 2011
    THIS IS A £100 REBUY FREE-ROLL 490 RUNNERS AND TOP 50 PAID 
    1st£25
    2nd£15
    3rd£9
    4th£7
    5th£5.50
    6th£4
    7th£3
    8th£2
    9th£1.50
    10th£1
    11th£0.85
    12th£0.85
    BET THIS WOULD NOT HAPPEN IN A MAIN EVENT
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  • belsibubbelsibub
    edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: deepstack £2.20:
    THIS IS A £100 REBUY FREE-ROLL 490 RUNNERS AND TOP 50 PAID  1st £25 2nd £15 3rd £9 4th £7 5th £5.50 6th £4 7th £3 8th £2 9th £1.50 10th £1 11th £0.85 12th £0.85 BET THIS WOULD NOT HAPPEN IN A MAIN EVENT
    Posted by spornybol
    The problem is the way sky works its pay out the bigger the field the better it works.It's just at the lower runner levels it does not.That looks like a standard 50 pay out percentages from the only one i could find mini open in gary qqq's tornament thread.You have 400 buy-ins to cover 50 pay outs (8 buy-ins to 1 pay out)where as you only have 100 to cover 20 (5 buy-ins to 1 pay out) when this level is first reached.By the end of the levels they almost match 499 buy-ins for 50 pay outs(9.98 to 1) and 199 for 20(9.95 to 1).
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  • spornybolspornybol
    edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: deepstack £2.20:
    In Response to Re: deepstack £2.20 : The problem is the way sky works its pay out the bigger the field the better it works.It's just at the lower runner levels it does not.That looks like a standard 50 pay out percentages from the only one i could find mini open in gary qqq's tornament thread.You have 400 buy-ins to cover 50 pay outs (8 buy-ins to 1 pay out)where as you only have 100 to cover 20 (5 buy-ins to 1 pay out) when this level is first reached.
    Posted by belsibub
    THAT`S WHAT I`M SAYING, BECAUSE IT`S A LOWER BUY-IN ODDS DON`T ADD UP ( FORGET FREEROLL) BUT WITH BIGGER BUY-IN YOU MAKE A PROFIT ?
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  • spornybolspornybol
    edited September 2011
    THIS 53 RUNNER TOP 8 PAID, IN PROFIT.
     
    spornybol07£6.36 + 3 League Points
    sul197308£5.30 + 2 League Points
    roll1up09 
    mohawk11010

    IF 99 PLAYER TOP 10 PAID IN PROFIT.

    BUT IF SAY 100 RUNNERS 20 PAID YOU LOSE MONEY ??
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  • belsibubbelsibub
    edited September 2011
    Size of buy in has nothing to do with it.Look at the tsp classic it normally gets 100+ runners uses exactly the same pay out structure as your opening deepstack example 90% to top 10 and 10% the other 10 (so 11-20th get the same 1% of prize pool)and its buy in is £10+£1.It just looks better because it gets 130 runners(6.5 buy ins to 1 cash) or even 160(8 to 1).If it got 101 runners £1010 prize pool 11th+ get £10.10(only the £1200 guarantee stops this happening).
    The only 2 things that affect the pay out are the number of buy-ins per cash and the main one the percentage of the prize pool assigned to each finishing place by sky.
    I am not disagreeing with you the 100 runner 20 pay outs needs changed.Trying to remember 8 pay outs start at 50 runners(6.25 buy-ins to 1 cash) ,10 start 70 i think(7 to1) 5 is 30(6 to1) so 100 to 20(5 to 1) is by far the worst stating buy-ins to pay out so min cashes are going to be worse.When it gets to 200 and 30 payed(6.67 buy-ins to 1 cash) 300 = 40 payed(7.5 to1) 400 =50 (8 to 1) 500=60(8.33 to 1) 600=70(8.6 to1) bigger the field the more money going in the pot per cash pay out.
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