NL4 Table image

sillymunch

Is it possible i have made a table image for myself on the NL4 

for the past 3 hands i have got AQ, AK, and flopped a 2 pair, 

i raised up to 16p and nobody called, the 2 pair i had flopped was a low 2 pair but i was forced into the hand as it was my BB, 

anyways everybody folded to my raises on the AQ and AK

when i flopped 2 pair, the one player, someone i had beaten previously with a set took a stab at the pot with the min raise, i called and he checked, after i raised he folded....

Do you think this player is giving me too much credit?

i just got an AK again, and the player in position checked the flop, when a 2nd jack appeared on the turn she raised it up, the story didnt add up so i called her bluff and it paid off netting me 60p, but maybe she tried to bluff cus my table image is if ive hit then i will raise?

Whats your oppinions, also should i be moving tables now if this is the case

Lambert180

No. 99% of people at this level do not think about table image, betting patterns, your opening range, just play good solid ABC poker and you'll be fine. Don't bother 'mixing up your play' because chances are they won't notice anyway.

YOUNG_GUN

silly u are making me laugh we have all said straight abc poker no bluffs

people at nl4 do not think of image

The_Don90

wow, image aty NL4, thats only ever been heard of once, and im sure thats only when regs collide

pilgrim07

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silly u are making me laugh we have all said straight abc poker no bluffs people at nl4 do not think of image
Posted by YOUNG_GUN

   hate to disagree yg, but certainly the image projected by the regs like sillymunch, don and so on are well noted by the fish community and we use this info well, usually by finding a new table!!! 




  

sillymunch

im not talking about bluffs lol, the room was chatting as if some of them was regs, i am assuming there was 3-4 regs on the 6 seater table, i hit another set and the guy played along right till the river and he bottled it at the end, apparently he had 2 pair with an ace, he clearly wouldnt of bottled it if he was your normal NL4 type player xD i think he got scared because it was me the same guy who got him with a set the last time, and i almost did it again till he folded on the river, and by folding i mean, he raised, i reraised and he folded

sillymunch

The people i am assuming are regs, is somebody called Egokill, someone called IrishWOLF, and finally a guy called andrew2188 (thats the guy who seemed to be making good reads on me, folding when he was beat) and then of course myself

The_Don90

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The people i am assuming are regs, is somebody called Egokill, someone called IrishWOLF, and finally a guy called andrew2188 (thats the guy who seemed to be making good reads on me, folding when he was beat) and then of course myself
Posted by sillymunch

probably one of the better NL4 players imo.

sillymunch

yeah thats the impression i got lol

The_Don90

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In Response to Re: NL4 Table image :    hate to disagree yg, but certainly the image projected by the regs like sillymunch, don and so on are well noted by the fish community and we use this info well, usually by finding a new table!!!    
Posted by pilgrim07

I think you have a point here. Ive sat and watched table chat (when ive not been on the table) and often theres a discussion between players of who to play and not to play. Ive seen a number of these guys later become regs and one 1/2 occassions now do play higher.

However the vast majority of them dont avoid us at all and hand us money. I think a number of them see it as, if i can oputdraw you, youll pay me. And thats why they stay.

sillymunch

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In Response to Re: NL4 Table image : I think you have a point here. Ive sat and watched table chat (when ive not been on the table) and often theres a discussion between players of who to play and not to play. Ive seen a number of these guys later become regs and one 1/2 occassions now do play higher. However the vast majority of them dont avoid us at all and hand us money. I think a number of them see it as, if i can oputdraw you, youll pay me. And thats why they stay.
Posted by The_Don90

And thats why i kept getting paid last week xD, 6/7 days last week i ended up between 2-5 pound better off each day ;o i was happy lol, but there are those days that they do get lucky and take it back, the trick is, of course if your gonna win, win big, if your gonna lose, lose small, now how to use this to my advantage hmmmmmm, you cant at NL4 cus that would mean keeping pots small, but you want pots to be big when playing ABC if you get paid off great, but if you dont then your losing big and winning small (again part of the reason NL4 is so frustrating, but gotta admit i have learnt alot in this brief week so NL4 has been good for me

Lambert180

It's VERY unusual to get a 4NL table with 3-4 Regs on it but if you do, stand up and leave. Even if you have a marginal edge on these people, there are so many fish about at 4NL where it will be so much easier to get money from.

If he was a good REG then he wouldn't let the fact that you flopped a set earlier affect his decision with 2pr later. If he's ahead of most of your range, then he's ahead of most of your range, doesn't matter if you've beat him in an earlier hand.

The_Don90

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It's VERY unusual to get a 4NL table with 3-4 Regs on it but if you do, stand up and leave. Even if you have a marginal edge on these people, there are so many fish about at 4NL where it will be so much easier to get money from. If he was a good REG then he wouldn't let the fact that you flopped a set earlier affect his decision with 2pr later. If he's ahead of most of your range, then he's ahead of most of your range, doesn't matter if you've beat him in an earlier hand.
Posted by Lambert180

If i have 4 regs, me and a super fish on a table. Im not moving. That super fish is worth 2 tables of value imo.

Lambert180

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In Response to Re: NL4 Table image : If i have 4 regs, me and a super fish on a table. Im not moving. That super fish is worth 2 tables of value imo.
Posted by The_Don90

Yeah but if there 4 of yaz (REGS), then generally you're going to have to share that superfishes money 4 ways. So unless they're gonna sit with a full BI, stack off very light, top up and repeat multiple times, I don't see the value.

sillymunch

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It's VERY unusual to get a 4NL table with 3-4 Regs on it but if you do, stand up and leave. Even if you have a marginal edge on these people, there are so many fish about at 4NL where it will be so much easier to get money from. If he was a good REG then he wouldn't let the fact that you flopped a set earlier affect his decision with 2pr later. If he's ahead of most of your range, then he's ahead of most of your range, doesn't matter if you've beat him in an earlier hand.
Posted by Lambert180

My point is, the hand played out exactly the same way, betting patterns and all, it doesnt matter if its the normal betting pattern for me, it looked like he made note of my betting pattern and it was cus of that he escaped, if he hadnt escaped he would of put £2 in, which i had raised £2 cus it was pot value and i was prety much guarenteed to win other then a bigger set, no flush, no straight, no full house chance... in which case hes not letting the set dictate if he should call, yet hes watched my betting pattern and figured out i may have another set

Dudeskin8

Image at NL4 lol, jesus that's a good one.

Lambert180

I see what you're saying. As someone said above, this is only gonna happen when 2 REGs collide which doesn't tend to happen that often because REGs have type opening ranges and can get rid on a flop they don't hit strongly no problem.

I do tend to sometimes play my hands a little differently against people that I know are DEFINITELY regs because I know how they'll think, but that's not really table image, it's more about notes on players for me and I as I say, it's not very often I'll get into a pot with someone I know is a REG unless I've got a really strong (AA/KK/QQ/AKs) in which case I'd never be flatting pre, and if they're good, they won't flat pre with very strong hands and won't call with average hands, so it'll probably end up going in pre and then it's gonna be a cooler for someone or they fold.

The_Don90

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I see what you're saying. As someone said above, this is only gonna happen when 2 REGs collide which doesn't tend to happen that often because REGs have type opening ranges and can get rid on a flop they don't hit strongly no problem. I do tend to sometimes play my hands a little differently against people that I know are DEFINITELY regs because I know how they'll think, but that's not really table image, it's more about notes on players for me and I as I say, it's not very often I'll get into a pot with someone I know is a REG unless I've got a really strong (AA/KK/QQ/AKs) in which case I'd never be flatting pre, and if they're good, they won't flat pre with very strong hands and won't call with average hands, so it'll probably end up going in pre and then it's gonna be a cooler for someone or they fold.
Posted by Lambert180

i fully agree.

to the devate above when i say a super fish i mean those people who just jam all in pre and do nothing else. Its hard to avoid playing with regs when this happens. Av pot gets massive which in turn brings the regs, even if im first there.

One time i had TommyD and Dohhhh joining me on a table. Both are top quality players, Simply done i shared the value, left with a profit as soon as the fish went.