would you call in this situation and reasons why please?? I cant understand how he could call my sho

boatrace

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PokerStars Game #67477448823: Tournament #538010492, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XLIV (20000/40000) - 2011/09/13 22:09:43 ET
Table '538010492 53' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 2: boatrace1965 (1082687 in chips) 
Seat 3: smafu76 (403084 in chips) 
Seat 4: abelgeneral (1090425 in chips) 
Seat 6: jokeradom (908689 in chips) 
Seat 7: Heterozygot (2064814 in chips) 
Seat 8: jeffspeedy (630229 in chips) 
Seat 9: kostasmat (1964043 in chips) 
boatrace1965: posts the ante 5000
smafu76: posts the ante 5000
abelgeneral: posts the ante 5000
jokeradom: posts the ante 5000
Heterozygot: posts the ante 5000
jeffspeedy: posts the ante 5000
kostasmat: posts the ante 5000
kostasmat: posts small blind 20000
boatrace1965: posts big blind 40000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to boatrace1965 [Ac 8c]
smafu76: folds 
abelgeneral: raises 49999 to 89999
jokeradom: folds 
Heterozygot: folds 
jeffspeedy: folds 
kostasmat: folds 
boatrace1965: calls 49999
*** FLOP *** [3s Tc 3c]
boatrace1965: bets 987688 and is all-in
abelgeneral: calls 987688
*** TURN *** [3s Tc 3c] [5d]
*** RIVER *** [3s Tc 3c 5d] [4s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
boatrace1965: shows [Ac 8c] (a pair of Threes)
abelgeneral: shows [Th As] (two pair, Tens and Threes)
abelgeneral collected 2210374 from pot
boatrace1965 finished the t

GREGHOGG

im not so sure why you need to bluff off all your chips there tbh

if you want to bluff, make it 180-200k ish, or wait till the next street for more "weakness"

his call is fine, he has TPTK

boatrace

In Response to Re: would you call in this situation and reasons why please?? I cant understand how he could call my shove!!:

im not so sure why you need to bluff off all your chips there tbh his call is fine
Posted by GREGHOGG

Semi bluff (flush draw) I shoved because i couldnt see him calling with a 10 or any over pair,what range could you put me on?? so you would call most of your chips after 8 hours of play with just a top pair??? 

DOHHHHHHH

What hand are you representing?

What sort of hands do you think he should be scared of?

grantorino

fold or 3bet pre

dont shove flop

Its a snapcall for villain, he crushes your range

boatrace

In Response to Re: would you call in this situation and reasons why please?? I cant understand how he could call my shove!!:

What hand are you representing? What sort of hands do you think he should be scared of?
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

Any over pair,Ace3, at worst a nut flush draw my i would of shoved the same way if i had AA KK QQ JJ or  a 3,considering we were down to 14 players out of 7500 and after 8 hours and a $8k 1st prize i expected the situation would make him fold!! be honest would you of called for your tournament life??? 

GREGHOGG

In Response to Re: would you call in this situation and reasons why please?? I cant understand how he could call my shove!!:

In Response to Re: would you call in this situation and reasons why please?? I cant understand how he could call my shove!! : Semi bluff (flush draw) I shoved because i couldnt see him calling with a 10 or any over pair,what range could you put me on?? so you would call most of your chips after 8 hours of play with just a top pair??? 
Posted by boatrace

I missed the flush draw because i hate hand historys from other sites. This doesnt make your jam any better. What on earth do you think he folds here?

Your jam does not make any sense, it just looks like your trying to bully him off the pot . It may be a long mtt and you may be deep, but you cant expect someone to fold TPTK on this dry board.

GREGHOGG

In Response to Re: would you call in this situation and reasons why please?? I cant understand how he could call my shove!!:

In Response to Re: would you call in this situation and reasons why please?? I cant understand how he could call my shove!! : Any over pair,Ace3, at worst a nut flush draw my i would of shoved the same way if i had AA KK QQ JJ or  a 3,considering we were down to 14 players out of 7500 and after 8 hours and a $8k 1st prize i expected the situation would make him fold!! be honest would you of called for your tournament life??? 
Posted by boatrace

wow, very unlucky and you must be feeling sore!

DOHHHHHHH

In Response to Re: would you call in this situation and reasons why please?? I cant understand how he could call my shove!!:

In Response to Re: would you call in this situation and reasons why please?? I cant understand how he could call my shove!! : Any over pair,Ace3, at worst a nut flush draw my i would of shoved the same way if i had AA KK QQ JJ or  a 3,considering we were down to 14 players out of 7500 and after 8 hours and a $8k 1st prize i expected the situation would make him fold!! be honest would you of called for your tournament life??? 
Posted by boatrace

Yes, because you would re-raise pre flop with QQ KK AA, you prob wud fold Ace three pre flop, and you certainly wouldn't just jam well over the pot when you hit the perfect flop. You would play it slower. 

I suppose you could have jacks, but it's still abit extreme.

I would suggest the best hand you show up with here is the nut flush draw, not the worst.

boatrace

In Response to Re: would you call in this situation and reasons why please?? I cant understand how he could call my shove!!:

In Response to Re: would you call in this situation and reasons why please?? I cant understand how he could call my shove!! : Yes, because you would re-raise pre flop with QQ KK AA, you prob wud fold Ace three pre flop, and you certainly wouldn't just jam well over the pot when you hit the perfect flop. You would play it slower.  I suppose you could have jacks, but it's still abit extreme. I would suggest the best hand you show up with here is the nut flush draw, not the worst.
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

Thanks for your comments I have my own way of playing MTTS which alot or players dont agree on (have won a primo and a open on skypoker),I just didnt want to ladder up I wanted to win it,I was obviously too aggressive,Im still trying to learn the game!!