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Tricky spot with medium strength hands vs Lags, with lots of dead money in pot.
9 handed play 50/£1.
UTG makes it £3.50. I flat with two red 8's from C/O with £140 behind. Button Jams for £46. SB re Jams for £55. Laggy UTG opener flats without really thought process, with a stack of perhaps £200.
£160 in pot, myself closing the action for £51.5, but with the option to 5bet shove another £90 into UTG opener who is never folding. Small chance UTG has me crushed, but equally likely he holds AK/Q and potential that he's put himself in a bad spot with underpair. Laggy jammers are immaterial, as I can only really fold or rejam, making up lost money in side pot vs Laggy UTG opener when they are hugely strong or bink. But I'm fairly certain they are counterfeiting some of their own hands.
Have played with UTG opener a lot, he has a tendancy to massively over play hands and this is going to be a flip far more often than not.
I'm well rolled for the evening, happy to get it in here? (with added incentive/value in main pot?)
UTG makes it £3.50. I flat with two red 8's from C/O with £140 behind. Button Jams for £46. SB re Jams for £55. Laggy UTG opener flats without really thought process, with a stack of perhaps £200.
£160 in pot, myself closing the action for £51.5, but with the option to 5bet shove another £90 into UTG opener who is never folding. Small chance UTG has me crushed, but equally likely he holds AK/Q and potential that he's put himself in a bad spot with underpair. Laggy jammers are immaterial, as I can only really fold or rejam, making up lost money in side pot vs Laggy UTG opener when they are hugely strong or bink. But I'm fairly certain they are counterfeiting some of their own hands.
Have played with UTG opener a lot, he has a tendancy to massively over play hands and this is going to be a flip far more often than not.
I'm well rolled for the evening, happy to get it in here? (with added incentive/value in main pot?)
Comments
Flat from UTG is kinda weird
Best case scenrio they all have overcards and you have to fade a lot of paint.
emm shove or fold -- fold and watch an eight flop
Couldnt quite work this out at table. Got criticised by a TD this week for being a "tanker" so trying to act slightly quicker. Didnt feel like I was dominated however, also feeling opponents are likely holding each others outs.
If you feel 8's are good against UTG its a call for me but if he has that stack and just flats are 8's really beating him??
Tough one but call if you think u have him beat
UTG opener flatting behind isnt a true sign of strength. His hand selection is pretty wide here, but he massively overplays paint/Small PP's OOP as standard.
He isnt folding if I jam, this much I'm sure of, as another issue in his game is inability to find fold button with money invested, But if he's got a preemy he'd be crazy to here. But as said, I'm fairly sure I'm up against overs, hopepully a fair few being nullified.
So given the extra value in main pot, believing the only player with money behind has paint, do we ignore the main pot and flip for side pot, with all the extra equity of main pot?
There is a reason I ask and I'll put up the result and hands later.
Jammers ranges more often than not paint. Readless I fold to UTG stationing it with 3BB's invested.
This is more gamble than I normally opt fair. Not a big fan of 5bet shoving here with a hand as weak as 8's without the option of making my hand look lke a bluff, especially with only 3 big blinds invested. Normally am happy to release. But as long as laggy utg opener doesnt have an overpair I decided it had to be done. Being well rolled for the evening helped also.
Did have the best hand, opponents held KsQs AhKh (utg) and AQ, so had the counterfeits I wanted.
But this seems like too much gamble to me in some ways I cant decide, despite the rationale
Didnt want to turn it into a perceved brag post, 4248x board (didnt bother to look at river
Also didnt want to be results orientated. I do tank alot in game, was a lot to think of here, in terms of ranges and insurance and equity on main and side pot.
To be honest still not sure it was right, even with solid reads. I think the high potential for counterfeits was the clincher though. Its probably borderline.
I'm not sure, I would think its prob a marginal fold against their ranges
But dont see how it can be 52/48 for the side with 2 A's and 2 K's already out there?
Definately borderline, was nice to be well rolled that evening
So 63% for side and 44% for main (I thought that was high also).
So 107% overall!!! Wwwwwweee Cant lose, am freerolling