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Rewarded for bad play

edited October 2009 in Area 51
I have played in the feature tourney evey night now this week and cant help noticing how many terrible pre flop calls are made after someone has raised.

Its ok saying "in the long run" or "over time" they will lose, but when they knock you out of a tourney catching mirical cards its not ok is it.

anyone else noticed.

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  • edited October 2009
    IT IS SICK GETTING KNOCKED OUT TO A TERRIBLE CALL PRE.... BUT WITHOUT THESE CALLS WE CANT BUILD A STACK AND GO ON TO WIN!!! USED TO DRIVE ME INSANE GETTING "DONKED" OUT... BUT NOW I PLAYER NOTE AND NEXT TIME IM UP AGAINST THEM I MAKE SURE I TAKE ALL THEIR CHIPS!! IT IS FRUSTRATING AND ANNOYING... BUT DONT FORGET U WILL CATCH MIRACLE CARDS... SWINGS IN ROUNDABOUTS ... SO CHIN UP PAL AND KEEP BATTLING ON... CHEERS JIM;-)
  • edited October 2009
    In Response to Re: Rewarded for bad play: Thanks for the advise, I will start to make player notes from now.

    Cheers mate
    IT IS SICK GETTING KNOCKED OUT TO A TERRIBLE CALL PRE.... BUT WITHOUT THESE CALLS WE CANT BUILD A STACK AND GO ON TO WIN!!! USED TO DRIVE ME INSANE GETTING "DONKED" OUT... BUT NOW I PLAYER NOTE AND NEXT TIME IM UP AGAINST THEM I MAKE SURE I TAKE ALL THEIR CHIPS!! IT IS FRUSTRATING AND ANNOYING... BUT DONT FORGET U WILL CATCH MIRACLE CARDS... SWINGS IN ROUNDABOUTS ... SO CHIN UP PAL AND KEEP BATTLING ON... CHEERS JIM;-)
    Posted by jimbo31
  • edited October 2009
    I just cant believe this site. Im not going to play on here any more. over the past week or so i have been marking down as much info as possible about bad beats and the way they happen eg flush over flush or set over set.

    Odds, thats what those hmmmmm idiots talk about on TV, odds my backside. FIXED is what i would call it.

    What is the ODDS to be delt 88 four times (to me) on the same table in about 16 hands?

    What is the ODDS to be beat flush over flush 5 times on the same table in oh 26 mins?

    What is the ODDS to be beat set over set 3 times on the same table in oh 9 mins?

    I played for 1 hour and reloaded 4 times costing me £200 which before you say is within my bank roll.

    Please someone tell me what is up with this site.
  • edited October 2009
    In Response to Re: Rewarded for bad play:
    I just cant believe this site. Im not going to play on here any more. over the past week or so i have been marking down as much info as possible about bad beats and the way they happen eg flush over flush or set over set. Odds, thats what those hmmmmm idiots talk about on TV, odds my backside. FIXED is what i would call it. What is the ODDS to be delt 88 four times (to me) on the same table in about 16 hands? What is the ODDS to be beat flush over flush 5 times on the same table in oh 26 mins? What is the ODDS to be beat set over set 3 times on the same table in oh 9 mins? I played for 1 hour and reloaded 4 times costing me £200 which before you say is within my bank roll. Please someone tell me what is up with this site.
    Posted by SAFCarmy
    That'll be me, then.
  • edited October 2009
    In Response to Re: Rewarded for bad play:
    I just cant believe this site. Im not going to play on here any more. over the past week or so i have been marking down as much info as possible about bad beats and the way they happen eg flush over flush or set over set. Odds, thats what those hmmmmm idiots talk about on TV, odds my backside. FIXED is what i would call it. What is the ODDS to be delt 88 four times (to me) on the same table in about 16 hands? What is the ODDS to be beat flush over flush 5 times on the same table in oh 26 mins? What is the ODDS to be beat set over set 3 times on the same table in oh 9 mins? I played for 1 hour and reloaded 4 times costing me £200 which before you say is within my bank roll. Please someone tell me what is up with this site.
    Posted by SAFCarmy
    I understand how frustrating it is but believe me, it's not this site. I also play on one other major site and some of the calls and beats given out there are truely horrendous. If there's one thing I've learned here is that these things do happen in this wonderful game we all love and it also seems to happen all the time but it really doesn't.

    I played a SnG last night. 5 consecutive hands were:

    10 10
    KK
    QQ
    AA
    88

    This was on the other site I play on so it can and does happen elsewhere.

    These things will even themselves out over time.
  • edited October 2009
    In Response to Re: Rewarded for bad play:

    I play a lot of live poker (pubs and casinos) and never see it. You know what after thinking about it, its not the cards its the terrible players calling raises out of position with FISHY hands. All the same it does normally bring a flop were he will go ahead and i woudlnt be able to fold.

    eg. I have KK i raise pre flop and get 2 callers. the flop comes 338 rainbow. i bet and get called by 1 player the other folds. turn is a Q. again i bet but this time make it quite large to test him. another nothing card on the river i check he checks and turns over Q 3 suited. this was on a 1.50 - 3 pound table. i raised pre flop to 12 pound.

    Every time some chump gets lucky. I make player notes but there is that many players i play against its pointless.

    cheers for your reply mate
  • edited October 2009

    So it's not "the site", or "the cards", it's the "terrible players"?

    I'd have thought pitting our wits against "terrible players" was a good thing, no?
  • edited October 2009
    In Response to Re: Rewarded for bad play:
    So it's not "the site", or "the cards", it's the "terrible players"? I'd have thought pitting our wits against "terrible players" was a good thing, no?
    Posted by Tikay10
    It would be if they never got lucky all the time. I watch sky poker ever day on sky and about 80% of the hands you show are bad beats.

    But thanks for your sarky comment.
  • edited October 2009

    Sigh.

    I know I should not be bothering to write this because those who should read and take note of it wont be able to and the rest already know it.

    But I've got a few minutes to kill so here goes.

    The hands Sky show on tv are less than 5% of the total hands played in the tournie (much less) and Sky are in the entertainment business so AT LEAST 80% of the hands they show should be bad beats, sick outdraws etc.

    And due to the tv coverage, prize pool and fast blind structure, most of the players in the tv tournies are going to be new and/or bad.

    So when the presenters talk about odds they are nearly always giving the correct odds for situations (barring human error), however the results you see on screen will be a bad beat/sick outdraw etc for the reason given above.

    And just to save you time and effort from posting again further down the line, I will tell you now that when you play more and more online poker, you will find that these bad beats are also happening in much smaller games which are not shown on tv.

    Please don't rant and rave when this happens, it's called variance. Why does it happen? The answer is simple.

    Although all odds are correct statistically, that is all they are... eg. yesterday I was dealt pocket tens three hands in a row, statistically this should not happen, correct? Yes, however, think of how many hands are played online (across ALL the poker sites in the world) by how many players. So on some site somewhere, some poor geezer probably didn't get dealt pocket tens at all for three times longer than normal.

    Thus, the statistics and odds would have been balanced out and proven correct and the circle of life will continue as it should.


  • edited October 2009
    SAFCarmy you are just coming across as a bitter fool.
  • edited October 2009
    i think the problem goes deeper than the software and the fishes, the reason you are getting all these bad beats is because you support sunderland!!!!!!!!!!!
  • edited October 2009
    In Response to Re: Rewarded for bad play:
    I just cant believe this site. Im not going to play on here any more. over the past week or so i have been marking down as much info as possible about bad beats and the way they happen eg flush over flush or set over set. Odds, thats what those hmmmmm idiots talk about on TV, odds my backside. FIXED is what i would call it. What is the ODDS to be delt 88 four times (to me) on the same table in about 16 hands? What is the ODDS to be beat flush over flush 5 times on the same table in oh 26 mins? What is the ODDS to be beat set over set 3 times on the same table in oh 9 mins? I played for 1 hour and reloaded 4 times costing me £200 which before you say is within my bank roll. Please someone tell me what is up with this site.
    Posted by SAFCarmy
    Im not being sarcastic (unusually for me) but if i were you i would not be looking for problems with this or any other site, look a bit closer to home and you may find whats wrong, however correcting that is the difficult part, 99% of players including myself face a constant struggle with the answer to the question, why did i lose that?
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