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Taking on The DYM's diary

edited September 2011 in Poker Chat
Decided to keep a diary of my DYM's that way people can see just how im doing, and you can watch me grow ;) hehe
Day 1.....Only played 2 DYM's today decided to duel table a £1 and a £3 DYM

£1 DYM
Hand 1, the missed opportunity

Laid down hand, even though would of won (oddly enough if i had called this i would of gone on to win the tourney aswell lol but thats not the right action in a DYM)

PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalanceeddie2 Small blind  10.00 10.00 790.00 lynn1953 Big blind  20.00 30.00 1860.00  Your hole cards 8 8    TuffCookie Fold     sillymunch Call  20.00 50.00 1980.00 THEROCK573 Fold     STELLAR Fold     eddie2 Call  10.00 60.00 780.00 lynn1953 Raise  20.00 80.00 1840.00 sillymunch Call  20.00 100.00 1960.00 eddie2 All-in  780.00 880.00 0.00 lynn1953 Call  760.00 1640.00 1080.00 sillymunch Fold     eddie2 Show Q 9    lynn1953 Show K A    Flop  5 3 6    Turn  J    River  J    lynn1953 Win Pair of Jacks 1640.00  2720.00
Hand 2, the costly mistake


PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalanceSTELLAR Small blind  50.00 50.00 1787.50 lynn1953 Big blind  100.00 150.00 1577.50  Your hole cards K K    TuffCookie Fold     sillymunch Raise  500.00 650.00 1660.00 THEROCK573 Fold     STELLAR Fold     lynn1953 Call  400.00 1050.00 1177.50 Flop  5 Q 8    lynn1953 All-in  1177.50 2227.50 0.00 sillymunch All-in  1660.00 3887.50 0.00 sillymunch Unmatched bet  482.50 3405.00 482.50 lynn1953 Show Q 5    sillymunch Show K K    Turn  4    River  J    lynn1953 Win Two Pairs, Queens and 5s 3405.00  3405.00


£3 DYM
Hand 1, other players bluffing needlessly

PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalancewhostheman Small blind  15.00 15.00 1910.00 gosset01 Big blind  30.00 45.00 95.00  Your hole cards A J    freepoker Fold     SAIBOT Raise  150.00 195.00 1145.00 MRJBNKAZ Fold     sillymunch Call  150.00 345.00 2495.00 whostheman Fold     gosset01 All-in  95.00 440.00 0.00 Flop  2 4 9    SAIBOT Check     sillymunch Check     Turn  4    SAIBOT Check     sillymunch Check     River  5    SAIBOT Bet  220.00 660.00 925.00 sillymunch Fold     SAIBOT Unmatched bet  220.00 440.00 1145.00 gosset01 Show J 3    SAIBOT Show 6 Q    SAIBOT Win Pair of 4s 440.00  1585.00
As you can SAIBOT here won the hand, but i had them both beat, in DYMs
its not profitable to bluff, but this guy ended up bluffing way too much and
it was his downfall,  instead of checking down with a second player to get
someone out he would bluff the other guy out which makes no sense

Hand 2, taking the lead

PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalanceSAIBOT Small blind  50.00 50.00 1060.00 MRJBNKAZ Big blind  100.00 150.00 2800.00  Your hole cards K K    sillymunch Raise  200.00 350.00 1970.00 whostheman Fold     freepoker Call  200.00 550.00 3610.00 SAIBOT Fold     MRJBNKAZ Call  100.00 650.00 2700.00 Flop  5 4 3    MRJBNKAZ Bet  100.00 750.00 2600.00 sillymunch Raise  200.00 950.00 1770.00 freepoker Fold     MRJBNKAZ Call  100.00 1050.00 2500.00 Turn  J    MRJBNKAZ Bet  100.00 1150.00 2400.00 sillymunch Call  100.00 1250.00 1670.00 River  K    MRJBNKAZ Bet  100.00 1350.00 2300.00 sillymunch Call  100.00 1450.00 1570.00 MRJBNKAZ Show 6 5    sillymunch Show K K    sillymunch Win Three Kings 1450.00  3020.00


To understand why i chose this method, rather then being agressive is because in
DYMs you dont need to get a player to put all his chips in the centre by the end,
if they want to force it then fine, but especially at this time of the tournament
your looking for a soft cushion :)

Hand 3, sometimes you need a bit of risk and luck

PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalanceSAIBOT Small blind  75.00 75.00 2020.00 MRJBNKAZ Big blind  150.00 225.00 1965.00  Your hole cards A Q    sillymunch Raise  750.00 975.00 1745.00 whostheman Fold     freepoker All-in  3210.00 4185.00 0.00 SAIBOT Fold     MRJBNKAZ Fold     sillymunch All-in  1745.00 5930.00 0.00 freepoker Unmatched bet  715.00 5215.00 715.00 sillymunch Show A Q    freepoker Show K K    Flop  A 2 6    Turn  9    River  J    sillymunch Win Pair of Aces 5215.00  5215.00
Now you wouldnt normally use AQ to call an all in in a DYM, its not a good move,
however at this stage in the tournament you need to steal a few blinds, and you
need to find the right cards to do it with, the only problem here is i had put too
much into the pot for the steal, and ended up pot committing myself, but i
managed to hit the ace, freepoker did nothing wrong he just got outdrawn,
so gotta say it was very unlucky of him, however he figured i had an ace, so it was a coin toss for him too

Final hand, im not involved but perfect to show why we do not get too involved around the bubble 

ActionCardsAmountPotBalanceSAIBOT Small blind  150.00 150.00 3550.00 MRJBNKAZ Big blind  300.00 450.00 1740.00  Your hole cards 7 K    sillymunch Fold     whostheman All-in  570.00 1020.00 0.00 SAIBOT Call  420.00 1440.00 3130.00 MRJBNKAZ Fold     SAIBOT Show J 3    whostheman Show 9 A    Flop  A 8 6    Turn  9    River  8    whostheman Win Two Pairs, Aces and 9s 1440.00  1440.00

The guy here got involved so much during the end, he tried to bluff someone out the pot
and ended up relying on a weak hand to finish off, in DYMs of course you want to be in the
position where you dont need to get involved as much and this is why
he was second, but then he got knocked out without cashing and all i can think of is
it serves himself right. hope he joins some of my other DYMs :)

Going to sleep now, but thats
1W 1L with a profit of £1 :)

Comments

  • edited September 2011
    Just off BR which I recall as about £56, I would personlly play a few 30p/60p ones to get warmed up as if you play 3-4 £3 and lose them all that's a big old chuck of roll destroyed.

    Oh and also just stick to NL4 lol
  • edited September 2011
    ok? is there a reason you suggest sticking at NL4? i asked for peoples oppinion not so long ago ;o
  • edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: Taking on The DYM's diary:
    ok? is there a reason you suggest sticking at NL4? i asked for peoples oppinion not so long ago ;o
    Posted by sillymunch
    Coz it's very very, very very very easy to beat :)
  • edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: Taking on The DYM's diary:
    In Response to Re: Taking on The DYM's diary : Coz it's very very, very very very easy to beat :)
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    Yes but as i dont understand it fully yet i seem to keep having a yoyo bankroll, in fact the secret to me not going bust starting with £5 is after i took it to £20 i was quite happy with cash, i watched my BR grow, then after a lot of days in the + varience struck, and unless you know exactly how to beat it constantly your gonna keep losing, everytime i went down to £10 i would DYM back up to my original BR xD when it was back up i go back to cash, lose it all again, it was a slippery slope :( and DYM's kept me in the game, 

    i will admit the fish at the tables makes NL4 profitable if you can grasp the concepts, but i clearly just dont know when to call a shove, when to make a shove etc etc, i want to learn of course :) but until i do it was risky to keep going the way i was
  • edited September 2011
    Hi mate,

    Dont mean to be cruel, but you played all hands terrible in the £3 DYM.
  • edited September 2011
    In Response to Taking on The DYM's diary:
    freepoker did nothing wrong he just got outdrawn,
    so gotta say it was very unlucky of him, however he figured i had an ace, so it was a coin toss for him
    It wasn't a "Coin toss" he was about 70%
  • edited September 2011

    Ok in regards to playing DYM's i would personally advise you to play £1.10/55p ones until you are regularly beating them then move up, see JohnConnors Bankroll advice.

    As for the hands i have put my thoughts:

    Hand 1) Limp fold is fine imo, would have preferred small 3 x raise but then your folding it so L/F isn't too bad

    Hand 2) You done nothing wrong, probably raised 1bb too much being picky but again its all going in Unlucky

    Hand 3)It may sound tight but it is a DYM so i would fold most the time here, not worth bluffing either so once you call checkdown for showdown is fine

    Hand 4) Please dont min raise, regardless why your doing it here it should be at least 3x bb to 300 maybe more if there are alot of stations on the table.
    Again min raise the flop is a bit pointless you can flat sometimes but its not the best board to so i would put a hefty re-raise to 400ish and aim to get in.

    Hand 5) 5x raise is really unecessary here, 3x bb to 450 max here on some tables it can still be a fold aswell due to your position

    Hope this helps.

    John

  • edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: Taking on The DYM's diary:
    Ok in regards to playing DYM's i would personally advise you to play £1.10/55p ones until you are regularly beating them then move up, see JohnConnors Bankroll advice. As for the hands i have put my thoughts: Hand 1) Limp fold is fine imo, would have preferred small 3 x raise but then your folding it so L/F isn't too bad Hand 2) You done nothing wrong, probably raised 1bb too much being picky but again its all going in Unlucky Hand 3)It may sound tight but it is a DYM so i would fold most the time here, not worth bluffing either so once you call checkdown for showdown is fine Hand 4) Please dont min raise, regardless why your doing it here it should be at least 3x bb to 300 maybe more if there are alot of stations on the table. Again min raise the flop is a bit pointless you can flat sometimes but its not the best board to so i would put a hefty re-raise to 400ish and aim to get in. Hand 5) 5x raise is really unecessary here, 3x bb to 450 max here on some tables it can still be a fold aswell due to your position Hope this helps. John
    Posted by YOUNG_GUN
    Yep, it does help :)
    but i just wanna say, im already beating these things on a regular basis >< lol, 
  • edited September 2011
    munch,you are not beating them ona regular or irregular basis my friend
  • edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: Taking on The DYM's diary:
    munch,you are not  beating them ona regular or irregular basis my friend
    Posted by pod1
    how so?
  • edited September 2011
    sharkscope says your not beating it

  • edited September 2011
    Lol well there's no messing there, you've been outted! That's the problem with STTs and MTTs, you can't hide your losses lol, I can hide all my cash losses. I heard somewhere you say you've won about 70-80% of DYMs so far, there's no way you can keep that up if its true...60% win rate is pretty good long term.

    Also... you were going on about beating 4NL but from what you've said above, you basically just won money at DYMs, blew it at 4NL, rinse and repeat.

    Read John Connor's guide and stick to it to the letter! Same as you should read Dohhhs guide and stick to that to the letter when playing 4NL and you'll be alright.
  • edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: Taking on The DYM's diary:
    Lol well there's no messing there, you've been outted! That's the problem with STTs and MTTs, you can't hide your losses lol, I can hide all my cash losses. I heard somewhere you say you've won about 70-80% of DYMs so far, there's no way you can keep that up if its true...60% win rate is pretty good long term. Also... you were going on about beating 4NL but from what you've said above, you basically just won money at DYMs, blew it at 4NL, rinse and repeat. Read John Connor's guide and stick to it to the letter! Same as you should read Dohhhs guide and stick to that to the letter when playing 4NL and you'll be alright.
    Posted by Lambert180
    No i never went on about how i was beating NL4, in fact alot of the times i stated in my daily profit thing, i was beating NL4 and then i would lose 3BIs and do some double your moneys to stable my balance, then i would move back to the cash tables, in fact, i have claimed so many times that i dont fully understand how you can be profitable on NL4 because people are willing to call with middle pair and get lucky, or they dont call you at all, i also stated the problem i found with cash games is i won lil bits £1 at a time, but when i lost it tended to be whole BI's

    as for sharkscope, i dunno if your a advanced user on it, cus i am not, all i know is yes it shows me in the negative, but as i also stated in previous posts, i did a lot of HU SNGs when i first started on sky poker, £1 - £5 lost over £100 on them alone, even remember accidently chosing a £10 russian roulette was crazy and i lost but i didnt even intend to click it, so sharkscope can say whatever it likes but you cant say i am a losing player on DYMs just because sharkscope says i have lost SnGs cus there are alot of SNGs out there.....
    Also lets just say, i checked my sharkscope on the 1st of September it said i was over $100 i converted it into english money anyways and that was £71, its now only a loss of 48 pounds, 

    anyone else wanna take a dig at me?
  • edited September 2011
    No but can I ask some advice from someone who uses/understands SharkScope much better than me. Was just having a mooch at mine and Silly's and I'm a bit confused... apparently he has a total profit of $1 and an average ROI of -8%. I on the other hand have a total loss of $22 but an average ROI of 3%

    Surely if my average ROI is a positive number than I should be in profit and likewise if Silly's is a minus ROI then he should be in loss?? My Sharkscope looks quite pretty for All Games tho :) Can't I get more detail than the 1 line when you search for a user and the 3 rubbish graphs? or do I need to sign up or something?

    I'm confused
  • edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: Taking on The DYM's diary:
    sharkscope says your not beating it
    Posted by pod1
    To be fair since you had a bad day on the 7th and left it a few days you,ve started to beat it , but i wouldn,t keep going up to £10 games until you,ve beaten the lower ones for a lot  more than 2 weeks

    EDIT - need to give myself a new challenge for the rest of the month as i,m not playing enough so might try to get to 1k points playing the low stakes DYM,s with £100 BR. I,ve only got less than 600 pts - probably see you on the tables
  • edited September 2011
    I just filtered your DYM results sillymunch...you're in profit with 3% ROI...keep it up.
  • edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: Taking on The DYM's diary:
    I just filtered your DYM results sillymunch...you're in profit with 3% ROI...keep it up.
    Posted by splashies
    thank you splashies, btw if i seem a bit up tight its because im in constant pain over past 3 days, ive had constant headaches for the past 2 weeks, ive past out in the hospital, only to find out i have glandula fever, without ever meeting anyone with it before :S some random person probably thought they just had a cold and came into work, or a customer, sneezed and past it on to me, so right now i really am not in the best of moods to deal with criticism without all the facts.

    Really do appreciate you checking that for me splashies, and i aint going up to £10 ones yet xD thats was something i did when i first started on the site, serves myself right for being too confident in HU and finding out im really actually very bad xP
  • edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: Taking on The DYM's diary:
    No but can I ask some advice from someone who uses/understands SharkScope much better than me. Was just having a mooch at mine and Silly's and I'm a bit confused... apparently he has a total profit of $1 and an average ROI of -8%. I on the other hand have a total loss of $22 but an average ROI of 3% Surely if my average ROI is a positive number than I should be in profit and likewise if Silly's is a minus ROI then he should be in loss?? My Sharkscope looks quite pretty for All Games tho :) Can't I get more detail than the 1 line when you search for a user and the 3 rubbish graphs? or do I need to sign up or something? I'm confused
    Posted by Lambert180
    Hmmmm could it be that you have stuck to one level, which is the right thing to do, but with me, i lost money decided how much i needed to win back and then just took that level SNG, usually to a max of £5 out of all the times i did that i won the money back, only once did i fail, and when i failed i did a £10 which i won, so i didnt really lose anything, it was a bit of a risky approach, but i have that much confidence in my DYM game since thats what i started off learning to play.

    im not exactly an expert of sharkscope, but yes if you subscribe to sharkscope you can tick the advanced search, and search for specific game types, stakes etc etc, so you get a better understanding on where your game is best xD
  • edited September 2011
    I look at Sharkscope occasionally and have seen similar. I suspect the profit/loss and win/loss rate are calculated on two different bases;

    Profit/loss? Possibly the total of all of the buy-ins less the payouts. So one win at a higher level may cancel out all of the losses at a lower level.

    Win/loss rate ? Possibly an average calculation of all of the the win/loss results. If it was based on the mode (result that pops up most frequently) then any end of the range skewing, caused by one-off results (as per above) would be disregarded. Or it could be the mean average of results from those that show most often, ie disregard the least frequent 20% and then calculate the mean asverage. There are lots of ways of presenting data, and ways to exclude out of trend incidences - sometimes odd incidences are so out of true, common sense dictates that you just ignore them.

    So the two examples I have shown above will present contradictory results.

    Remember, there are lies, damn lies and then there are statistics. Don't hang your hat on any stats that you see unless you know the basis on which they're calculated - and don't be afraid to ask (half the time those presenting them don't understand how they've been derived themselves - politicians are a good example).
  • edited September 2011
    munch,please dont think i was trying to "out" you in any way. 2 pts i was trying to make. 1)when you put" im beating them on a regular basis" i dont see it. unless yours and mine "regular basis" is different. you have only played 91 sngs combined. i havnt filtered, i dont have to. its not enough compared to winnings and then say your beating it reggular. 2nd pt is you do get wound up and fustrsted quickly and the glandula fever ob aint helping. just stick with it. be honest with yourself and your results and you will improve a lot better. i am shocking at sngs, you can ski down my slope, but im not the one asking for advice (although i should be lol)
  • edited September 2011
    This post was not asking for advice ;o it was so people could see, and so i personally could keep an eye on my game and keep an accurate record of the SnG's. normally im not easily wound up, but the glandula fever is what is probably making me so easily aggitated, the fact is, i do win alot of these DYMs, i understand them alot better then i do with Cash games, which is funny, cus with DYMs you should be playing prety much the same hands as NL4 cash, and playing them in the same way, because its about getting value for your hands xD maybe where cash is concerned (maybe my range is tighter in DYMs without me realising) anyways, if you want to comment on this thread i have no objections, but i would rather it be constructive criticism based on the hands i played then just criticism in general on my SNG past, cus all im saying is it covers all aspects of SNGs on sharkscope, not just DYMs
  • edited September 2011
    Day 2 of my DYM

    Still unwell but managed to play a £2 DYM which i placed in



    Record so far 2 wins - 1 loss

    Will post some hands later when i get back
  • edited September 2011
    If you have fever buddy i wouldnt be playing i have done it in the past and lost bits of my roll in doing so.

    Just a bit of advice wait until your 100% or at least got rid of your fever as its not going to help
  • edited September 2011
     and your "glands" have just never gone down!
  • edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: Taking on The DYM's diary:
    If you have fever buddy i wouldnt be playing i have done it in the past and lost bits of my roll in doing so. Just a bit of advice wait until your 100% or at least got rid of your fever as its not going to help
    Posted by YOUNG_GUN

    Because of the severe fatigue, it may take several months before the patient is perfectly fit again after glandular fever. But the majority of people recover much more quickly.

    Future prospects

    Glandular fever usually takes two to four weeks and resolves itself without complications. In about 3 per cent of all cases, it goes on longer. After having the disease, a person will have lifelong immunity to it – so will not catch it again.

    Possible, but rare, complications of glandular fever include the following.

    • The respiratory passages may become partially blocked and require a short course of oral steroid therapy to help to reduce the inflammation.
    • Pneumonia requiring antibiotic therapy.
    • The spleen may rupture – this happens in 0.1 to 0.2 per cent of all cases. ( runner, runner str8 flush/quads NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!!!! )
    • Very rarely, the central nervous system may be infected by the virus and can cause complications like meningitis or encephalitis.
    • Anaemia.
    • The number of blood platelets may decrease (thrombocytopenia).
    • Rarely, the disease may lead on to chronic fatigue.
  • edited September 2011
    thank you all for your advice, and believe me i will be taking it xP
    I only play the odd small game atm cus of it :( but its like ive been awake about 5 hours and im already ready to get some more sleep :( so definately not the right circumstances to be playing a game that requires concentration xD

    thanks black mass for the research :) 
  • edited September 2011
    I did it for Young Wums benefit. Seeing as you may be laid up for up to a month it's hardly realistic to imagine that you aren't gonna be bored out of your mind and play poker to while away the time.
    Plenty of time to read up on the game too. May as well make the most of it. Gl man.
    P.S Don't worry too much about ruptured spleen ;)  pretty damn unlikely.
  • edited September 2011

    i dont understand sharkscope,would like to know my percentages on dyms,as they seem to keep me going

  • edited September 2011
    LOL ruptured spleen xP i dont do enough exercise for that haha, nah im more worried with the fact that i move house in 4 days time, and i start my new job in a week >< great start if i have to phone in sick xD
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