One of the first few hands in the DTD

Lambert180

Is this fold pre too tight? I just don't like the 5x raise, a call and I'm OOP

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Lambert180	Small blind		10.00	10.00	4970.00
Quietly1	Big blind		20.00	30.00	4865.00
	Your hole cards	Q A
Scapman	Call		20.00	50.00	4970.00
Kevilfish	Raise		100.00	150.00	4870.00
thebramski	Call		100.00	250.00	4960.00
royznet	Fold
Lambert180	Fold
Quietly1	Fold
Scapman	Fold
Flop
		3 8 4
Kevilfish	Bet		180.00	430.00	4690.00
thebramski	Fold
Kevilfish	Muck
Kevilfish	Win		250.00		4940.00
Kevilfish	Return		180.00	0.00	5120.00

grantorino

folding might not be horrible, but I would definitely call esp this deep. 5x isnt that big with a limper in front, also limper prob calls to make pot odds better

Dudeskin8

I call here.

If hit ace high flop just take check call route.

rancid

dont' mind the fold tbh, but if you c/c three streets then say goodbye to at least 2000 chips
fink a call is ok 2, but your not loving a AQK flop ) KJ10 flop is good though )

Dudeskin8

In Response to Re: One of the first few hands in the DTD:

dont' mind the fold tbh, but if you c/c three streets then say goodbye to at least 2000 chips fink a call is ok 2, but your not loving a AQK flop ) KJ10 flop is good though )
Posted by rancid

Why are you, can't a villain bet 3 streets with AJ TPGK or at least two ?

I would very much like this fllop.

YOUNG_GUN

Its not a bad fold, but i would call

Check/call route if you hit your ace for pot control

debdobs_67

I hate to call with this hand , any Axx flop without a Q and its so hard to know where you are and ive leaked many chips in the past doin the calling route , i still do it though

rancid

In Response to Re: One of the first few hands in the DTD:

In Response to Re: One of the first few hands in the DTD : Why are you, can't a villain bet 3 streets with AJ TPGK or at least two ? I would very much like this fllop.
Posted by Dudeskin8

Not a fan of the passive c/c streets going OOP into a multi way flop with AQ in a MTT 

Thinks you can find much better spots than this, it's all leaky leaky

Dudeskin8

In Response to Re: One of the first few hands in the DTD:

In Response to Re: One of the first few hands in the DTD : Not a fan of the passive c/c streets going OOP into a multi way flop with AQ in a MTT  Thinks you can find much better spots than this, it's all leaky leaky
Posted by rancid

You check/call to keep in bluffs and let them think they're getting value with their AJ/A10, yes there's AK but come one lol

debdobs_67

In Response to Re: One of the first few hands in the DTD:

In Response to Re: One of the first few hands in the DTD : You check/call to keep in bluffs and let them think they're getting value with their AJ/A10, yes there's AK but come one lol
Posted by Dudeskin8

Dont forget there are plenty of players who play Ax sooted the same way , so technically any flop with an A on it and its very diff to know where you are

PiAnOpLaYa

OOP and this early its not a terrible fold depending whats on TV i prob do the same

rancid

In Response to Re: One of the first few hands in the DTD:

In Response to Re: One of the first few hands in the DTD : You check/call to keep in bluffs and let them think they're getting value with their AJ/A10, yes there's AK but come one lol
Posted by Dudeskin8

I understand the merits of c/c, but just prefer to be in control of the hand.

Plus I wouldn’t want to be c/c v two oppo’s. HU creates another dynamic and obviously you going to c/c at least one street on a Q or A high flop. Turn and river you either have notes that he barrels worse or you just c/c and hope your ok.

Your looking at probably a 1000 pot come the turn so you looking for oppo to check back turn otherwise come river your going to be begging he checks back .

Lambert180

I agree mostly with Rancid, this was my thought. The pot would be 350 if I call, any decent flop bet is gonna be over 200 but say it's 200, 2 calls, you got a 1000+ pot, you got 4500 behind, and you got maybe TPGK or TPTK and you don't really know where you are. As Debs says, too many people will play A2-A9s early on, so whether it comes AJ2 or A59 or any other variation, them hitting 2pr is gonna be disguised and you stand to lose a big chunk.

My theory was just that AQ really doesn't play well multiway and I don't need to risk 100 chips in the hope of basically flopping a monster.

grantorino

lol at not playing AQ cause villains might have worse As.

Pot wont always be 1000 come turn (usually wont imo), plenty of value to be had especially if limper comes along. We cant assume opener is barrelling 3 streets always either

I dont think folding is that bad tbh, but some of the reasoning in this thread is pretty weird

rancid

In Response to Re: One of the first few hands in the DTD:

lol at not playing AQ cause villains might have worse As. Pot wont always be 1000 come turn (usually wont imo), plenty of value to be had especially if limper comes along. We cant assume opener is barrelling 3 streets always either I dont think folding is that bad tbh, but some of the reasoning in this thread is pretty weird
Posted by grantorino

lolz

lets just say if your going to call, be cautious

pod1

i know the villan very well if it was me i would be re raising..... big!!!