What is a good win rate at a cash table?

Pysterman

I'm sure this has been discussed before, but I was wondering what people's thought were.

Long Term
What about over a long period of time? OK, I know the obvious answer here is that any level of profit is good over prolonged period, but what is considered decent, in BB/100 hands say? Also, after how many hands can you start to look at your win rate and think "Yes, I can consistently turn a profit at this level"? I know some people say not until at least 100,000 hands, but surely you can take some notice of trends with less hands than that. Also, do people expect to profit at a higher rate at lower stakes?

Short Term
What sort of profit do you have to make to be pleased with your session? Clearly this will vary from person to person. I'm always happy if I finish the day in profit, but I can't help being a bit disappointed if I've been grinding tables for hours and walk away 10p up. I know it will also depend on how many tables you play. For example, if I sit at a table with £4 and walk with £8 fifteen minutes later I'm quite pleased, but if I were playing 8 tables for 2 hours, then £4 profit might seem a bit lean. I guess you give an answer in terms of BB/100 hands again.

DOHHHHHHH

Don't worry about it.

I've been grinding cash (successfully) for a few years now, and I still don't know the answer to this question.

So that should tell you all you need to know.

LOL_RAISE

in BB/100 2+ is good 5+ is massively crushing (thats big bet which is 2x big blind(bb))

for example if someone has a true winrate of 10bb/100  (5BB/100) over 100,000 hands they can expect to win between 50 and ~180 buyins
so as you can see there is still a load of variance even over 100k sample sizes

http://www.evplusplus.com/site_media/images/variance/wr_10.00_sd_80.00_nruns_100_nhands_100000_True_tLjaXR.png

efgloser

In Response to What is a good win rate at a cash table?:

I'm sure this has been discussed before, but I was wondering what people's thought were. Long Term What about over a long period of time? OK, I know the obvious answer here is that any level of profit is good over prolonged period, but what is considered decent, in BB/100 hands say? Also, after how many hands can you start to look at your win rate and think "Yes, I can consistently turn a profit at this level"? I know some people say not until at least 100,000 hands, but surely you can take some notice of trends with less hands than that. Also, do people expect to profit at a higher rate at lower stakes? Short Term What sort of profit do you have to make to be pleased with your session? Clearly this will vary from person to person. I'm always happy if I finish the day in profit, but I can't help being a bit disappointed if I've been grinding tables for hours and walk away 10p up. I know it will also depend on how many tables you play. For example, if I sit at a table with £4 and walk with £8 fifteen minutes later I'm quite pleased, but if I were playing 8 tables for 2 hours, then £4 profit might seem a bit lean. I guess you give an answer in terms of BB/100 hands again.
Posted by Pysterman

I would say, everytime you play.

Lambert180

Great post Lol_Raise. Great answer to a bit a tricky/unanswerable question in some ways... I enjoyed the graph too!