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Pocket Aces crushed 3 times on the flop

sedgley58sedgley58
edited October 2011 in Area 51

0/3 with pocket aces in ONE night, with 9/3, j/q & 8/10

jahfire Small blind  £0.02 £0.02 £1.78
step7 Big blind  £0.04 £0.06 £8.40
BARH Big blind  £0.04 £0.10 £3.96
  Your hole cards
  • A
  • A
     
sedgley58 Raise  £0.20 £0.30 £15.55
BARH Call  £0.16 £0.46 £3.80
chris7474 Call  £0.20 £0.66 £3.70
jahfire Fold     
step7 Fold     
Flop
   
  • 9
  • Q
  • 3
     
sedgley58 Bet  £0.66 £1.32 £14.89
BARH All-in  £3.80 £5.12 £0.00
chris7474 Fold     
sedgley58 Call  £3.14 £8.26 £11.75
sedgley58 Show
  • A
  • A
   
BARH Show
  • 3
  • 9
   
Turn
   
  • 10
     
River
   
  • 6
     
BARH Win Two Pairs, 9s and 3s £7.64

sedgley58 Small blind  £0.02 £0.02 £4.23
KKOS Big blind  £0.04 £0.06 £1.58
  Your hole cards
  • A
  • A
     
TRIP5 Raise  £0.12 £0.18 £2.84
sedgley58 Raise  £0.34 £0.52 £3.89
KKOS Fold     
TRIP5 Call  £0.24 £0.76 £2.60
Flop
   
  • 3
  • Q
  • J
     
sedgley58 Bet  £0.76 £1.52 £3.13
TRIP5 All-in  £2.60 £4.12 £0.00
sedgley58 Call  £1.84 £5.96 £1.29
sedgley58 Show
  • A
  • A
   
TRIP5 Show
  • J
  • Q
   
Turn
   
  • K
     
River
   
  • 4
     
TRIP5 Win Two Pairs, Queens and Jacks £5.51  £5.51
hilljames4 Small blind £0.02 £0.02 £1.65
MIKEY202 Big blind  £0.04 £0.06 £2.75
  Your hole cards
  • A
  • A
     
sedgley58 Raise  £0.12 £0.18 £3.87
hilljames4 Call  £0.10 £0.28 £1.55
MIKEY202 Call  £0.08 £0.36 £2.67
Flop
   
  • 4
  • 10
  • 10
     
hilljames4 Check     
MIKEY202 Check     
sedgley58 Bet  £0.18 £0.54 £3.69
hilljames4 Fold     
MIKEY202 Call  £0.18 £0.72 £2.49
Turn
   
  • J
     
MIKEY202 Check     
sedgley58 Bet  £0.36 £1.08 £3.33
MIKEY202 All-in  £2.49 £3.57 £0.00
sedgley58 Call  £2.13 £5.70 £1.20
MIKEY202 Show
  • 8
  • 10
   
sedgley58 Show
  • A
  • A
   
River
   
  • 9
     
MIKEY202 Win Three 10s £5.27  £5.27
OK I've heard it all before, variance, any 2 wins, standard hands etc etc etc, but 3 losses in one night is a bit rich even by sky's poor attempt at denying the manipulated hand theory. On the other hand i read somewhere you only win 70% of times with AA so that means I'm due 7 wins on the trot, as if.
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
    edited October 2011
    #420314209420299825
     #420392579#420441822
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  • sedgley58sedgley58
    edited October 2011
    to be honest i cant even be bothered to raise with AA on sky any more. 0/4 with pocket aces
    waldo100 Small blind  25.00 25.00 1950.00
    thatsmad Big blind  50.00 75.00 1712.50
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • A
    		     
    donky67 Call  50.00 125.00 3425.00
    sedgley58 Call  50.00 175.00 2937.50
    vinny66 Call  50.00 225.00 1750.00
    waldo100 Call  25.00 250.00 1925.00
    thatsmad Check     
    Flop
       
    • 3
    • 9
    • K
    		     
    waldo100 Check     
    thatsmad Check     
    donky67 Check     
    sedgley58 Bet  250.00 500.00 2687.50
    vinny66 All-in  1750.00 2250.00 0.00
    waldo100 Fold     
    thatsmad Fold     
    donky67 Fold     
    sedgley58 Call  1500.00 3750.00 1187.50
    sedgley58 Show
    • A
    • A
    		   
    vinny66 Show
    • K
    • 3
    		   
    Turn
       
    • 6
    		     
    River
       
    • 10
    		     
    vinny66 Win Two Pairs, Kings and 3s 3750.00  3750.00
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: Pocket Aces crushed 3 times on the flop:
    to be honest i cant even be bothered to raise with AA on sky any more. 0/4 with pocket aces waldo100 Small blind   25.00 25.00 1950.00 thatsmad Big blind   50.00 75.00 1712.50   Your hole cards A A       donky67 Call   50.00 125.00 3425.00 sedgley58 Call   50.00 175.00 2937.50 vinny66 Call   50.00 225.00 1750.00 waldo100 Call   25.00 250.00 1925.00 thatsmad Check         Flop     3 9 K       waldo100 Check         thatsmad Check         donky67 Check         sedgley58 Bet   250.00 500.00 2687.50 vinny66 All-in   1750.00 2250.00 0.00 waldo100 Fold         thatsmad Fold         donky67 Fold         sedgley58 Call   1500.00 3750.00 1187.50 sedgley58 Show A A       vinny66 Show K 3       Turn     6       River     10       vinny66 Win Two Pairs, Kings and 3s 3750.00   3750.00
    Posted by sedgley58
    Well that worked out well for you didn't it!!!

    Surely the logical thing would be to raise more, not less.
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  • debdobs_67debdobs_67
    edited October 2011
    Not only did ya lose 4/4 with AA but oppos actually flopped 2 pair 3/4
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited October 2011
    Just checked my hand history the last 4 times I had Aces I had no takers to my raise in 1 the other 3 they folded on the flop! So I have won my last 4 when holding Aces! But none went to show down!
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: Pocket Aces crushed 3 times on the flop:
    Just checked my hand history the last 4 times I had Aces I had no takers to my raise in 1 the other 3 they folded on the flop! So I have won my last 4 when holding Aces! But none went to show down!
    Posted by Donut64
    Sounds like 4 "rigged for action" "manufactured" "car crash" hands.

    Noooooooooooooooooooooooooot 

    When do u ever have aces anyway, it's always air. I'd have thought of all the people likely to get action when they actually have it, you would be at the top of the list!!!
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: Pocket Aces crushed 3 times on the flop:
    In Response to Re: Pocket Aces crushed 3 times on the flop : Sounds like 4 "rigged for action" "manufactured" "car crash" hands. Noooooooooooooooooooooooooot  When do u ever have aces anyway, it's always air. I'd have thought of all the people likely to get action when they actually have it, you would be at the top of the list!!!
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
     I had to go back quite away! Anyway 64 off is not air if you play it aggressive in these 4 cases I would have won with the said hand! LOL.
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  • SolarCarroSolarCarro
    edited October 2011
    You play the first 2 hands really bad, they are just a pair remember.

    1st hand - raise is fine and ofc he should never call that raise but after he flops 2 pair you bet 66p and he goes all in for £3.80! What more information do you need, instafold

    You commit the same in the second hand.

    Trippy has raised pre and you re-raise (too small imo), after the flop you bet 76p and she goes all in for £2.60, yet again you asked the question with your bet and got your answer! Another easy fold

    3rd hand after the turn you bet 36p they go all in for £2.49, this is NL4 you don't get clever bluff plays, again you ask the question and get the answer

    4th hand = time for a break, no raise with AA and playing it 5 way is just tilt, then after a bet of 250 getting re-raised to 1750 is a big clue your pair is no good.

    4 easy folds for me, the good thing is you are betting for information every time, the bad thing is you don't ever use the information they give you.

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  • dtm75dtm75
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: Pocket Aces crushed 3 times on the flop:
    Another easy fold
    Have to disagree on this.  Just as likely to be doing this with AQ, KQ and K10??  Am not folding AA here on a QJx board.
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  • SolarCarroSolarCarro
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: Pocket Aces crushed 3 times on the flop:
    In Response to Re: Pocket Aces crushed 3 times on the flop : Have to disagree on this.  Just as likely to be doing this with AQ, KQ and K10??  Am not folding AA here on a QJx board.
    Posted by dtm75
    True, but why not just jam with AA after the initial raise? Especially as they are prepared to call a jam after a wet flop, there is too much danger on that flop especially considering Trippy pre flop raised

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  • dtm75dtm75
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: Pocket Aces crushed 3 times on the flop:
    In Response to Re: Pocket Aces crushed 3 times on the flop : True, but why not just jam with AA after the initial raise? Especially as they are prepared to call a jam after a wet flop, there is too much danger on that flop especially considering Trippy pre flop raised
    Posted by SolarCarro
    Extracting value. Can't be folding bullets on every moderately dangerous board imho. It's not the wettest flop in the World.  Trip5 on the button, so her range is arguably a lot wider than premium.

    I'd take it on the chin, and expect to be winning 3 out of 4 of those coups and move on.
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  • SolarCarroSolarCarro
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: Pocket Aces crushed 3 times on the flop:
    In Response to Re: Pocket Aces crushed 3 times on the flop : Extracting value. Can't be folding bullets on every moderately dangerous board imho. It's not the wettest flop in the World.  Trip5 on the button, so her range is arguably a lot wider than premium. I'd take it on the chin, and expect to be winning 3 out of 4 of those coups and move on.
    Posted by dtm75
    Yeah I agree with you on hand 2 now, but I fold the other 3 and the last hand is just criminal, better to jam AA preflop than limp and allow 4 callers, orig poster needs to post this in the clinic not Area51
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  • dtm75dtm75
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: Pocket Aces crushed 3 times on the flop:
    better to jam AA preflop than limp and allow 4 callers, orig poster needs to post this in the clinic not Area51
    Posted by SolarCarro
    100% concur

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  • loonytoonsloonytoons
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: Pocket Aces crushed 3 times on the flop:
    You play the first 2 hands really bad, they are just a pair remember. 1st hand - raise is fine and ofc he should never call that raise but after he flops 2 pair you bet 66p and he goes all in for £3.80! What more information do you need, instafold You commit the same in the second hand. Trippy has raised pre and you re-raise (too small imo), after the flop you bet 76p and she goes all in for £2.60, yet again you asked the question with your bet and got your answer! Another easy fold 3rd hand after the turn you bet 36p they go all in for £2.49, this is NL4 you don't get clever bluff plays, again you ask the question and get the answer 4th hand = time for a break, no raise with AA and playing it 5 way is just tilt, then after a bet of 250 getting re-raised to 1750 is a big clue your pair is no good. 4 easy folds for me, the good thing is you are betting for information every time, the bad thing is you don't ever use the information they give you.
    Posted by SolarCarro
    Why are you debating tactics on this thread? the op says ''aces crushed 3 times on the flop'', not ''how did i play these hands'' If he wanted a discussion on how the hand played out he would have posted in the clinic, but as its here please keep the subject on track! It does not matter how,when,why, whatever he played the hand, the fact is, and the discussion is, that aces got beat 3 times on the flop!
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  • SolarCarroSolarCarro
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: Pocket Aces crushed 3 times on the flop:
    In Response to Re: Pocket Aces crushed 3 times on the flop : Why are you debating tactics on this thread? the op says ''aces crushed 3 times on the flop'', not ''how did i play these hands'' If he wanted a discussion on how the hand played out he would have posted in the clinic, but as its here please keep the subject on track! It does not matter how,when,why, whatever he played the hand, the fact is, and the discussion is, that aces got beat 3 times on the flop!
    Posted by loonytoons
    Yeah but by posting in area51 the op is suggesting something is amiss and that Sky didn't want him to win somehow! All I have done is point out this is not the case and Holdem is a 7 card game not 2
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  • igimcigimc
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: Pocket Aces crushed 3 times on the flop:
    In Response to Re: Pocket Aces crushed 3 times on the flop : Yeah I agree with you on hand 2 now, but I fold the other 3 and the last hand is just criminal, better to jam AA preflop than limp and allow 4 callers, orig poster needs to post this in the clinic not Area51
    Posted by SolarCarro
    Yadda yadda,It doesnt matter what you do.
    Idiots/muppets will call you anyway
    VORTEX69 Small blind  75.00 75.00 4335.00 bentley147 Big blind  150.00 225.00 4792.50   Your hole cards A A       MadHunter Call  150.00 375.00 3670.00 igimc Raise  600.00 975.00 2497.50 jimHFX Fold     SamJay Fold     VORTEX69 Fold     bentley147 Fold     MadHunter Call  450.00 1425.00 3220.00 Flop    J J 6       MadHunter Check     igimc Bet  712.50 2137.50 1785.00 MadHunter Raise  1425.00 3562.50 1795.00 igimc All-in  1785.00 5347.50 0.00 MadHunter Call  1072.50 6420.00 722.50 MadHunter Show J 9    igimc Show A A    Turn    J       River    8       MadHunter Win Four Jacks 6420.00  7142.50
    MAGICmagic Small blind  30.00 30.00 1127.50 GavL Big blind  60.00 90.00 2175.00   Your hole cards K A       WAZM Call  60.00 150.00 1090.00 igimc Raise  240.00 390.00 1370.00 DirectD Fold     MAGICmagic Fold     GavL Fold     WAZM Call  180.00 570.00 910.00 Flop    5 Q 6       WAZM Check     igimc Bet  570.00 1140.00 800.00 WAZM All-in  910.00 2050.00 0.00 igimc Call  340.00 2390.00 460.00 WAZM Show Q 8    igimc Show K A    Turn    2       River    10       WAZM Win Pair of Queens 2390.00  2390.00
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  • bigal36903bigal36903
    edited October 2011
    why do ppl always critisize the posters play in a hand. yes he should of done this and that and never limp into a pot with AA..   but please.  he posted it to see what ppl thought about getting beaten 3 times...  
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  • Batkin88Batkin88
    edited October 2011

    They shouild remove the area 51 thread just put em in clinic the input from other players could be very valuable and stop these hands happening.
    Near enough all of the hands here are justifiable or played badly so why not put em in clinic and improve your games

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  • sedgley58sedgley58
    edited October 2011
    about time too, now 1 win in 5
    MrGfc Small blind  10.00 10.00 1970.00
    SkyMerker Big blind  20.00 30.00 1630.00
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • A
    		     
    JAS01888 Fold     
    KEV1210 Raise  120.00 150.00 1830.00
    darkside12 Fold     
    sedgley58 Raise  520.00 670.00 1870.00
    MrGfc Fold     
    SkyMerker Fold     
    KEV1210 Call  400.00 1070.00 1430.00
    Flop
       
    • A
    • 8
    • 7
    		     
    KEV1210 Check     
    sedgley58 Bet  20.00 1090.00 1850.00
    KEV1210 Call  20.00 1110.00 1410.00
    Turn
       
    • 5
    		     
    KEV1210 Check     
    sedgley58 Bet  1110.00 2220.00 740.00
    KEV1210 Call  1110.00 3330.00 300.00
    River
       
    • 2
    		     
    KEV1210 Check     
    sedgley58 All-in  740.00 4070.00 0.00
    KEV1210 All-in  300.00 4370.00 0.00
    sedgley58 Unmatched bet  440.00 3930.00 440.00
    KEV1210 Show
    • K
    • K
    		   
    sedgley58 Show
    • A
    • A
    		   
    sedgley58 Win Three Aces 3930.00  4370.00
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  • sedgley58sedgley58
    edited October 2011
    wow 2 out of 6, and twice in the same day
    sedgley58 Small blind  1000.00 1000.00 51400.00
    grundy66 Big blind  2000.00 3000.00 8340.00
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • A
    		     
    FEEDMECHIP Raise  6000.00 9000.00 85260.00
    gunter2701 Fold     
    royalfl463 Call  6000.00 15000.00 14236.25
    sedgley58 Call  5000.00 20000.00 46400.00
    grundy66 All-in  8340.00 28340.00 0.00
    FEEDMECHIP Call  4340.00 32680.00 80920.00
    royalfl463 Call  4340.00 37020.00 9896.25
    sedgley58 All-in  46400.00 83420.00 0.00
    FEEDMECHIP Fold     
    royalfl463 All-in  9896.25 93316.25 0.00
    sedgley58 Unmatched bet  32163.75 61152.50 32163.75
    sedgley58 Show
    • A
    • A
    		   
    grundy66 Show
    • 10
    • 10
    		   
    royalfl463 Show
    • Q
    • J
    		   
    Flop
       
    • 7
    • 9
    • 8
    		     
    Turn
       
    • K
    		     
    River
       
    • 9
    		     
    sedgley58 Win Two Pairs, Aces and 9s 61152.50  93316.25
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