not been a good day :(

margatemaf

Today was a bit of a learning curve and quite a steep one too lol .... have had tears as well as laughter. Today i have won, lost, gone on tilt, wondered what happened etc etc. I think today i really did learn a few weaknesses today which need to be addressed. But the one thing that has got me stumped and that is, there is a fundamental weakness somewhere in my game and i am struggling to work out what it is.

Going on tilt was just pure in experience and it won't be happening again!! lol i bet everyone has said that i have watched the video tutorials and learnt a few things and applied them but it still didn't happen. Am i just being thick or have other people had this problem too. The thing that is frustrating me, is i am a driving instructor and i am trained to spot people's weaknesses and help correct them, but when it comes to looking at myself i just cant seem to see the wood for the trees

Or is it i am being a bit hard on myself? but then i am thinking if i am not hard on myself then i won't get too far forward too quickly. I am still laughing at a few events today and i am leaning towards lack of experience being the problem. But the fact i cannot just go thats the problem and rectify it has me miffed

I hope this makes some form of sense, so i apologise if it does not, i have a good idea of what i mean lol )

MargateMafia  (margatemaf)

BigBluster

Sounds like you're in that dangerous area where you've done your homework but still run into brick walls.

Next time you see a raise from first position, ask yourself;
1. Is this person knowledgeable and therefore indicating great strength (because that's what the tutorial says)?
2. Is this person clueless about position and just thinks their two cards are worth a raise?
3. Does this person think that I will see the raise as great strength and fold my big hand to this raise?

None of these questions is about cards - they're all about the person making the raise.

Good advice this:
Poker is a game of people played with cards, not a game of cards played by people. Think of the people, not the cards.
Just keep thinking about the game and it will all come together. The rest is mostly luck!

MereNovice

With an attitude like that you will do fine.
It takes time to master the game and all of us are learning all the time.
Just make sure that you play with what you can afford.
Initially it will seem that you are making backward steps at times but I'm sure the general trend will be positive.

webby234

margatemaf just keep the positive outlook and remember its a game thats meant to be fun and i think your gonna be just fine ;-)

oynutter

try to hone your skills as cheaply as possible---not on the free tables or the 30p sit n goes--because these are generally too crazy---the 2.20 buy in deep stacks are the best value for this purpose imo---stay away from the cash tables untill you are confident you are playing a good game---hope this helps  --gl

margatemaf

In Response to Re: not been a good day :

Sounds like you're in that dangerous area where you've done your homework but still run into brick walls. Next time you see a raise from first position, ask yourself; 1. Is this person knowledgeable and therefore indicating great strength (because that's what the tutorial says)? 2. Is this person clueless about position and just thinks their two cards are worth a raise? 3. Does this person think that I will see the raise as great strength and fold my big hand to this raise? None of these questions is about cards - they're all about the person making the raise. Good advice this: Poker is a game of people played with cards, not a game of cards played by people. Think of the people, not the cards. Just keep thinking about the game and it will all come together. The rest is mostly luck!
Posted by BigBluster

I have been doing my homework lol, i know i need to do more which is why i posted about books to read etc. The thing was yesterday was i was sticking to the basics like helen was saying on video tutorials and for whatever reason just come unstuck a few times .... i guess that was just luck i think that one of the problems could be the good advice you talked about and i am playing the cards not the people. I think the other main problem is adapting my game from live to online. 

I do prefer the live game as you can get tells and i find i can read people a lot easier, especially if your chatting to them. The reason why i say this is, last week i had my first casino tournament experience, 60 runners and i came 16th. Now it is not the fact i came 16th i know i am not a really bad player, it was the amount of players that came up to me at the bar afterwards and said how well i had played and that basically for my first time up at a live tournament i should be proud. A lot of them also said that they were looking forward to playing me again as they were looking forward to the challenge.

So i guess my next question would be, how do you compensate for not being able to see your opponent when playing online???

PS anyone who wants my money i will be on the double your money tables today ( low limits of course ), if i have a day like yesterday you'll do well lol ))))

margatemaf

In Response to Re: not been a good day :

With an attitude like that you will do fine. It takes time to master the game and all of us are learning all the time. Just make sure that you play with what you can afford. Initially it will seem that you are making backward steps at times but I'm sure the general trend will be positive.
Posted by MereNovice

The one thing i learnt off the full tilt poker site was from chris ferguson on Bankroll. I joined the poker school and his basic advice was play cash games for 2% of your bankroll and tournaments for 5% then even when your losing it is not going to hurt it too much. It's the one thing i will be quite strict about as i don't want to end up in GA

margatemaf

In Response to Re: not been a good day :

margatemaf just keep the positive outlook and remember its a game thats meant to be fun and i think your gonna be just fine ;-)
Posted by webby234

I will webby, i was still smiling yesterday and laughing my nuts off today about yesterday, lady luck had obviously gone on her holidays yesterday, so i am hoping that it was cold and wet wherever she went and she has decided to settle back on the beach here in margate lol )))

margatemaf

In Response to Re: not been a good day :

try to hone your skills as cheaply as possible---not on the free tables or the 30p sit n goes--because these are generally too crazy---the 2.20 buy in deep stacks are the best value for this purpose imo---stay away from the cash tables untill you are confident you are playing a good game---hope this helps  --gl
Posted by oynutter

i have been playing the .25 & .50 DYM purely because i play according to my bankroll as mentioned up above in the thread. I don't know what the deep stack games are, but i am off now to investigate as for cash games won't be going anywhere near them at the moment

oynutter

In Response to Re: not been a good day :

In Response to Re: not been a good day : i have been playing the .25 & .50 DYM purely because i play according to my bankroll as mentioned up above in the thread. I don't know what the deep stack games are, but i am off now to investigate as for cash games won't be going anywhere near them at the moment
Posted by margatemaf

nice one marg, yeh, thing is, those cheap dym games are not really your style imo, if you are a reasonable live game player, then the deepies are bound to suit you better than the cheap fast games, where you also have the loonie factor to take into account---you do actually get more play for your money in the deepies than in these games. They are on at 15 minutes past the hour for most of the day and evening in the mtt section---good luck mate, I'm sure they will suit you better---floppa whoppa---oynutter

dav1964

In Response to Re: not been a good day :

try to hone your skills as cheaply as possible---not on the free tables or the 30p sit n goes--because these are generally too crazy---the 2.20 buy in deep stacks are the best value for this purpose imo---stay away from the cash tables untill you are confident you are playing a good game---hope this helps  --gl
Posted by oynutter

As usual the nutter has some sound advice MARGATEMAFIA. He is spot on stay away from the cheepo games,you will learn nothing.Try playing (or just watching) some of the DEEPSTACKS,the 7.00 PM games are a good calibre.gl

phil12uk

Margate-i refer u back to what i said in ur thread about bankrolls and depositing. Until u have a good bankroll the horrid thing of poker varience can have a real adverse effect on ur poker funds.  I am glad u are steering clear of cash tables for now and would urge u to really stay strong in playing DYM games.  If that all gets too monotonous, play a deepstack mtt as they provide u with plenty (and i mean plenty) of play so if u receive a nasty loss in a hand, u stll have loads of time to recover.

apollo_11

I agree with Phil12uk.
My bankroll only allows me to play on the cheap DYM games.
You do get a lot of chancers in these games, but if you play tight, you should cash in more than you lose.
I have also watched a lot of the deepstack games and you can learn a lot from playing or just watching these games.
We all have days when the poker gods are cruel to us and we just have to work through them until things become favourable again.

margatemaf

In Response to Re: not been a good day :

Margate-i refer u back to what i said in ur thread about bankrolls and depositing. Until u have a good bankroll the horrid thing of poker varience can have a real adverse effect on ur poker funds.  I am glad u are steering clear of cash tables for now and would urge u to really stay strong in playing DYM games.  If that all gets too monotonous, play a deepstack mtt as they provide u with plenty (and i mean plenty) of play so if u receive a nasty loss in a hand, u stll have loads of time to recover.
Posted by phil12uk

in some of the DYM games especially the ones i play, it's like being back on zynga poker on facebook full of bingo players and chancers i thought i might come across people trying to hone their skills like i am, on the whole it is like that but i have been caught a few times by a player that should be at mecca and not here lol

margatemaf

In Response to Re: not been a good day :

I agree with Phil12uk. My bankroll only allows me to play on the cheap DYM games. You do get a lot of chancers in these games, but if you play tight, you should cash in more than you lose. I have also watched a lot of the deepstack games and you can learn a lot from playing or just watching these games. We all have days when the poker gods are cruel to us and we just have to work through them until things become favourable again.
Posted by apollo_11

i will continue with DYM games but i think i will try the depstack gams too, but limit myself to how many i play. i am using th chris ferguson bankroll method and trying to be rigid with it too!! so hopefully i won't get into any trouble