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is there a fix
ive never really been a believer that the RNG is fixed however,it seems that most complaints come from the "bad beats" that happen late in any tourney.
3x in my last tournies, i was within the last 10 before the cash, and it seems that the "big stack " wins
or in most cases the short stack loses.
SO if you think there is a fix,i think thats where it would be.
ITS NOT THE WINNING BUT CASHING.
if the cash is last 20, and your within the last 10/15 before the cash, thats where we need to look.
So make a note the next time you get knocked out with the best hand, how far you were from the cash,and lets see if there is a pattern
THIS SHOULD BE AN OBJECTIVE SCRUTINY OF THE RNG AND THEREFOR TELL US IF THERE IS ANYTHING UNTOWARDS GOING ON
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Let's say there are 20 places paying and 30 left. It stands to reason that the majority of the casualties will be from the bottom 10 players. At the pre-bubble period the players most likely to go all in are the shortstacks. The players most likely to call them will be the biggest stacks. Some big stacks will lose and not be overly damaged and some will win and therefore take out the shortstack.
I think if you really analyse what happens in this period the last ten places to fall will be made up of mostly shortstacks and some midstacks. It is quite rare for a big stack to go out unless two bigstacks clash.
It's common sense really and not an indication of anything untoward.
just to see IF there is any bias. you will always get "bad beats" throughout the game,i just wonder if it happens more at the end of a tourney ??????
a big stack wins at the end of a tourny because they dont go in with anything less than premium hands or because they call a shorty for 2 or 3 bb's and even then its usually a 50/50 is race....
for every one claiming the big stack always wins you will always get someone claiming its the short stack that "always" wins...gl,dave
Keep poking away stabber and your day will come when " The Gods " see fit. ( They are not rigged either, they are proper, honest Gods, none of your Fantasyland or foreign muck creations )
If you post your hands on the forum then some people might help you
READ THE QUESTION
That's the boring bit. For the unboring bit, I think you should just scream from the rooftops that the games where this happens are rigged - this is, afterall, Area 51,
Better variance on future games.
is the answer to your question that a short stack is likely to push with kq off and get called by the big stack with 44 races here we go? Desperation plays such as A8 all in getting called are so not uncommon, but then niether are kk vs AA, its hieghtened perspective due to hightened emotion at "getting so close" is my thought, it seems like its always the big stack as its easy to blame it on it as your constantly eyeing there stack with envy?? maybe :-)) calm detatched play for the win imo :-))
Also may i add when there was only 55 runners oppo calls an allin with 22 she was up against the chip daddy,AND SHE WON v the big stack so really cant see what your point is!Good luck on the tables
if the question is "is there a fix" then no there is not..imo
thaks to all who posted.
as i said im not a believer that there is a fix, i just wondered if there was a chance that the RnG had a bias at the latter end of tournies. It could be a certain seat that wins,or that more of one suit gets dealt out, or if there could be a time set,??????
AS I SAID im not a believer, i just ask questions
Dont know and prob never will
gl at the tables
debbydobby xxx
The RNG produces sequences of cards and those sequences are monitored and checked for randomness. What has never been explained is whether all sequences are used and in what order. The RNG could be generating many more sequences than are being used. The sequences can be delivered in whatever order is required to obtain a desired result. The sequences can be delivered from any starting point at the table ie. small blind first or any other table position. Think of the hands as being set out on a wheel and that wheel can be rotated to any position.
None of the above possibilities are known but all are possible. When questions are asked to that effect a wall of silence descends from the authorities. Questions I've asked relating to card/hand distribution software are ignored. Even a simple yes or no answer to the question of whether post RNG software is used to determine what happens to the cards is ignored. Replies to the emails were in some cases answered but they simply related back to RNG being certified. Any questions relating to what happens after that were ignored.
I think the term 'RNG' is these days used to describe more than just a random number generator.
Sky Poker state that their 'RNG' is used to shuffle, deal hole cards and deal community cards, so that's clearly more than just generating random numbers.
They also state 'the RNG' is audited/tested for fairness, randomness & unpredictability... ness, so I guess it's safe to assume that covers shuffle and deals (?)
It doesn't need to know all sequences and it doesn't need to select all 52 cards. Just the number needed from a deck of 52 for the game in question.
A RNG is just that - it will randomly select one card at a time from a choice of 52. In order to deliver them to the table there would need to be accompanying software.
The testing of the RNG is to ensure it falls within expected parameters of randomness. Any additional functions and asociated tests beyond that basic function are hard to determine as the AGGC and TST have so far been unwilling or unable to confirm or deny whether they exist or not. At one point in the numerous memos the AGGC actually suggested I ask the poker sites. I reminded them that they were licencing and regulation the said sites at which point they ceased to answer my questions.
I did say in my post that Sky Poker state 'the RNG' does the shuffle AND the deals of both hole & community cards.
They then say this 'RNG' is tested for randomness etc
The RNg is tested for randomness. They state clearly that it was tested in September 2009. If you read further it also says that as a condition of their licence with the AGGC it should be tested every 12 months.
Nosey i aint suggestin anything untoward , just sayin that the 'possibility' of certain deals being dealt at 'certain times' could be possible
I dont think that anyone has gone deeper down the rabbit hole on this issue than Elsa. I fully agree, with all of it.
What worries me the most is the regulators seeming intentional amiguity. Its as though they refuse to make a firm statement on the matter. I think we all live in a world where we are fully versed in the reasons for this type of standpoint. Legal ramifications.
Why cant clear cut practises just be layed out? It shouldnt be difficult. The fact that organisations are so intentionally evasive has always been an issue to me.