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Clown,Joke,Fool is this guy on something?

RknowlezRknowlez
edited October 2011 in Area 51
2nd hand of Mini Roller Sloooooooow Structure and he injects himslef and decided to have a fit with 2 pair NOT EVEN TOP 2 LOL This hut need highlighting and shown to be embrassing 
*and Sky that river was absolute rubbish

Hand History #426068007 (19:35 16/10/2011)PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalancexSmall blind 15.0015.004865.00FlashFlushBig blind 30.0045.005090.00 Your hole cards55   payday78Raise 60.00105.004940.00CFC302Fold    winner5603Fold    RknowlezCall 60.00165.004820.00xCall 45.00210.004820.00FlashFlushCall 30.00240.005060.00Flop  5Q7   xBet 30.00270.004790.00FlashFlushFold    payday78Fold    RknowlezCall 30.00300.004790.00Turn  10   xBet 30.00330.004760.00RknowlezRaise 150.00480.004640.00xRaise 720.001200.004040.00RknowlezRaise 1500.002700.003140.00xAll-in 4040.006740.000.00RknowlezAll-in 3140.009880.000.00xShow107   RknowlezShow55   River  7   xWinFull House, 7s and 10s9880.00 9880.00
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  • DAVEYZZDAVEYZZ
    edited October 2011
    dont kid yourself that deepstacks are any different that normal once someone has a strong hand......you aint getting them/him to fold two pair at any stage imo.............also you should delete the guys name......

    p.s i dont think he did much wrong at all..gl ,dave
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  • cleaverjimcleaverjim
    edited October 2011
    Chill,,imo u played it wrong he didnt.
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  • Poker_FailPoker_Fail
    edited October 2011
    Really weak betting, you got unlucky but didn't play it well either
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  • RknowlezRknowlez
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: Clown,Joke,Fool is this guy on something?:
    Chill,,imo u played it wrong he didnt.
    Posted by cleaverjim
    Please leaborate on how i played it wrong is it not the pruprose to get all his chips in the middle leavingnhim 4 cards to win which i did?

    I call his weak lead on such a dry flop due to having a monster. Howevr if i raise flop he might even fold his 2nd pair. Then form turn onwards surely it  is not stnadrd? he goes crazy wth middle 2 pair. If you belive that shoving in  over 150bb with middle 2 pair then you have issue and it is a fold from him i belove once o shove 10q is in my range easily and that has him crushed. Cant belive your saying his play is standrd makes me lol so much
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  • AyrGraemeAyrGraeme
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: Clown,Joke,Fool is this guy on something?:
    In Response to Re: Clown,Joke,Fool is this guy on something? : Please leaborate on how i played it wrong is it not the pruprose to get all his chips in the middle leavingnhim 4 cards to win which i did? I call his weak lead on such a dry flop due to having a monster. Howevr if i raise flop he might even fold his 2nd pair. Then form turn onwards surely it  is not stnadrd? he goes crazy wth middle 2 pair. If you belive that shoving in  over 150bb with middle 2 pair then you have issue and it is a fold from him i belove once o shove 10q is in my range easily and that has him crushed. Cant belive your saying his play is standrd makes me lol so much
    Posted by Rknowlez
    You played it perfect mate but got unlucky happens to us all im afraid
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  • bigal36903bigal36903
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: Clown,Joke,Fool is this guy on something?:
    In Response to Re: Clown,Joke,Fool is this guy on something? : Please leaborate on how i played it wrong is it not the pruprose to get all his chips in the middle leavingnhim 4 cards to win which i did? I call his weak lead on such a dry flop due to having a monster. Howevr if i raise flop he might even fold his 2nd pair. Then form turn onwards surely it  is not stnadrd? he goes crazy wth middle 2 pair. If you belive that shoving in  over 150bb with middle 2 pair then you have issue and it is a fold from him i belove once o shove 10q is in my range easily and that has him crushed. Cant belive your saying his play is standrd makes me lol so much
    Posted by Rknowlez
    if u r not going to raise it apart from a min raise what do you expect.. do you expect for someone to fold for min raise when they hit something...   yes he has rivered you,,  but try putting more in ..   this thing happens all the time.. i have had gut shots chased down the street for all their chips before and you are moaning when u min riase
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
    edited October 2011
    Raise flop. Raise turn bigger. 


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  • debdobs_67debdobs_67
    edited October 2011
    I dont mind the way the hand was played at all , you have a monster and  an oppo drawing to 4 outs who was willing to commit his stack , just vvul imo , well played actually xx
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  • Tikay10Tikay10
    edited October 2011

    Not sure what to say or think when I see comments like this......

    "....and Sky that river was absolute BUllS**T...."

    Presumably, it's the site's fault, is that the thinking?

    I think if we want to enjoy our poker, & improve, it's best to look at ourselves, rather than blaming all & sundry. The "best hand" or "best play" frequently loses - thats the very essence of poker, without which, none of us could afford to play, as the best players would win everything.

    Outdraws are inherently part & parcel of poker. They just are. Those who struggle to accept that will, I'm sorry to say....struggle.      
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  • RknowlezRknowlez
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: Clown,Joke,Fool is this guy on something?:
    Not sure what to say or think when I see comments like this...... "....and Sky that river was absolute BUllS**T...." Presumably, it's the site's fault, is that the thinking? I think if we want to enjoy our poker, & improve, it's best to look at ourselves, rather than blaming all & sundry. The "best hand" or "best play" frequently loses - thats the very essence of poker, without which, none of us could afford to play, as the best players would win everything. Outdraws are inherently part & parcel of poker. They just are. Those who struggle to accept that will, I'm sorry to say....struggle.   
    Posted by Tikay10
    Sorry everybody but if im not mistakened this is area 51 where we moan about these type of things. Tikay the comment i make about Sky was a joke of course, the crads are always random but at times i question this ;). People can criticise but this all people seem to do on this fourm its always "raise bigger here, raise there lalalalalala" almost saying if i rais ethe flop he DEFINATELY CALLS WITH 2ND PAIR RIGHT? You see the hand face up well done for your analysing. However all im doing is having a little moan and a dig at the guy (joke). All i am tyring to say is that i belive his play is wrong here in such a slow structure but you seem to hink this is completely standard?

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  • Die_hardDie_hard
    edited October 2011
     All i am tyring to say is that i belive his play is wrong here in such a slow structure but you seem to hink this is completely standard?

    There's no 'right and wrong way'. People can play any 2 cards however they like. Whether they play them WELL is a different matter.

    FWIW I prob would'n't have folded his hand either. (There's enough donks that will play AA just like you played that). You just got UL that's all. (Welcome to my world lol)

    I must be doing something wrong if everyone thinks you played Pre, Flop then the first bit of the Turn all ok.....
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  • cleaverjimcleaverjim
    edited October 2011
    TBH your 30 bet into a 300 pot was mad you just letting him in and thats what he did.After turn you played it well but hes not going anywhere wiv 2pair ,But the call 30 started the rot imo.
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  • DAVEYZZDAVEYZZ
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: Clown,Joke,Fool is this guy on something?:
    In Response to Re: Clown,Joke,Fool is this guy on something? : Sorry everybody but if im not mistakened this is area 51 where we moan about these type of things. Tikay the comment i make about Sky was a joke of course, the crads are always random but at times i question this ;). People can criticise but this all people seem to do on this fourm its always "raise bigger here, raise there lalalalalala" almost saying if i rais ethe flop he DEFINATELY CALLS WITH 2ND PAIR RIGHT? You see the hand face up well done for your analysing. However all im doing is having a little moan and a dig at the guy (joke). All i am tyring to say is that i belive his play is wrong here in such a slow structure but you seem to hink this is completely standard?
    Posted by Rknowlez
    the point is...you say you played it perfect and managed to get the guy all-in with the loosing hand(which you seem quite happy with)
    then call him a donk/clown etc when he hits the river....

    once again...the play is standard even in a deepstack.......whether you think it is is a different matter......but dont let anyone kid you that

    "you get a much higher standard of play" from a deepstack..because it aint true!
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  • BADBOY985BADBOY985
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: Clown,Joke,Fool is this guy on something?:
    In Response to Re: Clown,Joke,Fool is this guy on something? : Sorry everybody but if im not mistakened this is area 51 where we moan about these type of things. Tikay the comment i make about Sky was a joke of course, the crads are always random but at times i question this ;). People can criticise but this all people seem to do on this fourm its always "raise bigger here, raise there lalalalalala" almost saying if i rais ethe flop he DEFINATELY CALLS WITH 2ND PAIR RIGHT? You see the hand face up well done for your analysing. However all im doing is having a little moan and a dig at the guy (joke). All i am tyring to say is that i belive his play is wrong here in such a slow structure but you seem to hink this is completely standard?
    Posted by Rknowlez
    UNFORTUNATLY ONLINE IT IS. THE DEEPSTACKS ESPECIALLY THE 7.15  USED TO BE PLAYED TO WHAT YOU WOULD EXPECT A DECENT STRUCTURE AND STANDARD UNFORTUNALTY THE GUARANTEES ATRACTED LOADS OF EXTRA PLAYERS AND THE STANDARD WENT TO POT AND IT LIKE PRETTY MUCH ALL TORNIMENTS UNDER £10 BUY IN ON HERE THERE PRETTY MUCH ANY TOP PAIR SHOVEFESTS.
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  • oynutteroynutter
    edited October 2011
    Seems to me, in the early stages, a lot of players will just shove a small set on the flop, hope for a crazy call or take it down there--- I often play it cool till the turn, but it is risky, you took thr risk and got unlucky simples innit?

     Unlucky mate, thats all--- but the flat call for 30 chips on the flop is inviting bad luck to get ya ( not that he would'nt call a bigger bet)--- so it's a super massive bet or take the risk imo
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  • oynutteroynutter
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: Clown,Joke,Fool is this guy on something?:
    Not sure what to say or think when I see comments like this...... "....and Sky that river was absolute BUllS**T...." Presumably, it's the site's fault, is that the thinking? I think if we want to enjoy our poker, & improve, it's best to look at ourselves, rather than blaming all & sundry. The "best hand" or "best play" frequently loses - thats the very essence of poker, without which, none of us could afford to play, as the best players would win everything. Outdraws are inherently part & parcel of poker. They just are. Those who struggle to accept that will, I'm sorry to say....struggle.   
    Posted by Tikay10
     Tikay, you said you would tell these fella's to read my thread----lol---- thanks for the mention last night, made my day!---- The things people do to get on telly these days eh!---lol
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  • debdobs_67debdobs_67
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: Clown,Joke,Fool is this guy on something?:
    In Response to Re: Clown,Joke,Fool is this guy on something? :  Tikay, you said you would tell these fella's to read my thread----lol---- thanks for the mention last night, made my day!---- The things people do to get on telly these days eh!---lol
    Posted by oynutter
    How ya doin fella ?? i do hope ure ok , please pm me with updates on ure progress , me and dav are worried for ya , youve been a really nutty m8y to us and we BOTH wish ya all the best xx
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  • oynutteroynutter
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: Clown,Joke,Fool is this guy on something?:
    In Response to Re: Clown,Joke,Fool is this guy on something? : How ya doin fella ?? i do hope ure ok , please pm me with updates on ure progress , me and dav are worried for ya , youve been a really nutty m8y to us and we BOTH wish ya all the best xx
    Posted by debdobs_67
     Hiya Debs and Dave, My pm thingy has gone flopwit (very bad signal here), but will update the "wish me luck" thread as often as I can, looks like I got nearly 100/1 odds of beating this donkey fish, so don't worry more than 1% of the time eh---lol
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  • Tikay10Tikay10
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: Clown,Joke,Fool is this guy on something?:
    In Response to Re: Clown,Joke,Fool is this guy on something? :  Tikay, you said you would tell these fella's to read my thread----lol---- thanks for the mention last night, made my day!---- The things people do to get on telly these days eh!---lol
    Posted by oynutter
    It was my pleasure Mr Nutter, & your situation ought to act as a reality check to people who just moan & groan about insignificant things such as a bad beat in a game of poker. The world has gone mad, truly.
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  • Tikay10Tikay10
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: Clown,Joke,Fool is this guy on something?:
    In Response to Re: Clown,Joke,Fool is this guy on something? : the point is...you say you played it perfect and managed to get the guy all-in with the loosing hand(which you seem quite happy with) then call him a donk/clown etc when he hits the river.... once again...the play is standard even in a deepstack.......whether you think it is is a different matter......but dont let anyone kid you that "you get a much higher standard of play" from a deepstack..because it aint true!
    Posted by DAVEYZZ
    And there we have it. Cake & eat it, da de da.
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  • innitinnit
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Clown,Joke,Fool is this guy on something?:
    2nd hand of Mini Roller Sloooooooow Structure and he injects himslef and decided to have a fit with 2 pair NOT EVEN TOP 2 LOL This hut need highlighting and shown to be embrassing  *and Sky that river was absolute BUllS**T Hand History #426068007 (19:35 16/10/2011) Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance BMAC638 Small blind   15.00 15.00 4865.00 FlashFlush Big blind   30.00 45.00 5090.00   Your hole cards 5 5       payday78 Raise   60.00 105.00 4940.00 CFC302 Fold         winner5603 Fold         Rknowlez Call   60.00 165.00 4820.00 BMAC638 Call   45.00 210.00 4820.00 FlashFlush Call   30.00 240.00 5060.00 Flop     5 Q 7       BMAC638 Bet   30.00 270.00 4790.00 FlashFlush Fold         payday78 Fold         Rknowlez Call   30.00 300.00 4790.00 Turn     10       BMAC638 Bet   30.00 330.00 4760.00 Rknowlez Raise   150.00 480.00 4640.00 BMAC638 Raise   720.00 1200.00 4040.00 Rknowlez Raise   1500.00 2700.00 3140.00 BMAC638 All-in   4040.00 6740.00 0.00 Rknowlez All-in   3140.00 9880.00 0.00 BMAC638 Show 10 7       Rknowlez Show 5 5       River     7       BMAC638 Win Full House, 7s and 10s 9880.00   9880.00
    Posted by Rknowlez[/QUOTE]
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  • oynutteroynutter
    edited October 2011
    Great to see Tikay in area 51 again innit lads! People do need advice and mentoring on handling bad beats, and Spornybol isn't always available
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  • Tikay10Tikay10
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: Clown,Joke,Fool is this guy on something?:
    Great to see Tikay in area 51 again innit lads! People do need advice and mentoring on handling bad beats, and Spornybol isn't always available
    Posted by oynutter
    I "allow" myself one day a year in here, & that's now nearly finished, praise be.

    Jeez, how do people come up with such tales?, all this "I NEVER win flips on this site" nonsense.


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    PS - Seriously, I could weep for these players who can't handle beats, but when they start blaming other players, or the software, da de da, that's different. I so want to sit down with them, in a room, one to one, & explain to them how poker works, & the endless & fascinating permutations that are possible from a deck of cards.

    To me, every hand - EVERY SINGLE HAND - is a new hand, & something I look forward to. Will it be a PP, a Premium maybe, will I flop a huge draw, top set, turn a flush, river a str8, even a full house, or run a scary bluff? THATS the fun to me, & it has never diminished one iota. Looking back & getting all mardy over a previous hand which I lost makes absolutely no sense to me, & I simply don't understand it. Honest to God, I am NOT mocking, but I feel so sorry for people that don't enjoy their poker, & get all snarly every time they lose a hand. Why play the game?!

    Hope you are in good spirits today, & Cork General Hossie is feeding you well. When is your big op?     
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  • spornybolspornybol
    edited October 2011
    I`M HUNTING DOWN MY BAD BEAT STAR SKY AND COMMUNITY GAVE ME FOR AN AVATER WHICH HAS VANISHED, DO YOU NOW HAVE IT?? RKNOWLEZ


    WARNING:
     
    MRBURNS AND THE TPT MEMBERS ARE GETTING A POSSE TOGETHER TO HUNT THE VIRMIT DOWN THAT TOOK IT.
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  • RknowlezRknowlez
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: Clown,Joke,Fool is this guy on something?:
    In Response to Re: Clown,Joke,Fool is this guy on something? : And there we have it. Cake & eat it, da de da.
    Posted by Tikay10
    Im sorry but you are all takign this post too serious. Tikay i already stated it was a joke and i know bad betas are insignificant in the grand cheme of things but if im not mistakened people come to Area 51to have littl moan about these things. Therefore is my post not compkletely fair. Also the fact  i called him a donk etc was not meant to be taken serious so i apologise but you say i call him this fater he gets hos koney all in bad against me and you belive this is exactly what you mean. If you managed to get someone to commit all there chips for example with 10J on KQ8 board and you have KK and the river comes an A then would you not belive this player has made a bad play, even question his logic. This is imply what my post was meant to be, i must have a completely different way of playing poker to you as i belkive his play is totally unprofitable in the long run but thats me. sorry if people hav taken offence by my post it was heat of the moment
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  • oynutteroynutter
    edited October 2011
    Hi Tikay, a lot of people get annoyed when outdrawn after a really bad call with ridiculous odds, and, as you have said many times, these are the players we are looking for. I often look at the small stakes cash tables for an extra high average pot because it indicates a high percentage of nutters at that table. I know when I sit down there that I will get a few mad outdraws, but 90% of the time I will win through, it may take a few top ups, but if I keep my cool and play my own game, as opposed to trying to beat them at their game, I'll make a tidy profit.

     I think most people do eventually learn about variance, and a lot of the area 51 posters are new players that have yet to get their heads around it, some people simply can't believe it when their aces get cracked, so obviously they have not got a clue about the odds involved in the game yet.

     Thing is, they very rarely get a level headed and calm response when they post, just people having a laugh with them, it is funny sometimes, so they get even more annoyed with the game, when all they need is a measured and logical explanation of the odds involved and a tiny bit of sympathy, which is why I like to see you respond occasionally, you do seem to sort them out much faster than most--- Anyway, I'm waffling on mad again--- well done is all I meant to say---lol

     My operation looks like being on for next week sometime, as I have to have all my teeth out in a few stages first, just saw the doc, and he says I was definitely born with the dodgy valve and have been very lucky to survive this long---jeeeezzz--- one lucky Nutter so far!
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  • Tikay10Tikay10
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: Clown,Joke,Fool is this guy on something?:
    In Response to Re: Clown,Joke,Fool is this guy on something? : Im sorry but you are all takign this post too serious. Tikay i already stated it was a joke and i know bad betas are insignificant in the grand cheme of things but if im not mistakened people come to Area 51to have littl moan about these things. Therefore is my post not compkletely fair. Also the fact  i called him a donk etc was not meant to be taken serious so i apologise but you say i call him this fater he gets hos koney all in bad against me and you belive this is exactly what you mean. If you managed to get someone to commit all there chips for example with 10J on KQ8 board and you have KK and the river comes an A then would you not belive this player has made a bad play, even question his logic. This is imply what my post was meant to be, i must have a completely different way of playing poker to you as i belkive his play is totally unprofitable in the long run but thats me. sorry if people hav taken offence by my post it was heat of the moment
    Posted by Rknowlez
    I never read the hand history Sir, I don't read or listen to such things, so I have no view on the hand. But why, if I may ask, does it pre-occupy you that he may, or msy not, make unprofitable plays? That's his outlook, not ours! If peeps wanna play bad, why complain on the minority of occasions they win the hand? You can see, I assume, that if his poor play means he wins the hand 2 times in 10, then you win it 8 times in 10. Do you not enjoy such favourable odds?

    I'm sorry if you did not like my reply, & I'll refrain from further Comment in Area 51. I just find it pretty sad that people don't seem to understand the basic maths of the game, & get so upset over a game, a recreational hobby. I HATE going shopping, so I don't.....I don't like the cinema, so I don't go there, either. Or mowing the lawn, or knitting. If I did not enjoy playing poker, & it got me all revved up & snarly, I'd not play it.

    I guess everyone is different. I hope you start to enjoy your poker more in future, & run like Thewy! Because, of course, he runs better than everyone else. Or does he?......
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  • Tikay10Tikay10
    edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: Clown,Joke,Fool is this guy on something?:
    Hi Tikay, a lot of people get annoyed when outdrawn after a really bad call with ridiculous odds, and, as you have said many times, these are the players we are looking for. I often look at the small stakes cash tables for an extra high average pot because it indicates a high percentage of nutters at that table. I know when I sit down there that I will get a few mad outdraws, but 90% of the time I will win through, it may take a few top ups, but if I keep my cool and play my own game, as opposed to trying to beat them at their game, I'll make a tidy profit.  I think most people do eventually learn about variance, and a lot of the area 51 posters are new players that have yet to get their heads around it, some people simply can't believe it when their aces get cracked, so obviously they have not got a clue about the odds involved in the game yet.  Thing is, they very rarely get a level headed and calm response when they post, just people having a laugh with them, it is funny sometimes, so they get even more annoyed with the game, when all they need is a measured and logical explanation of the odds involved and a tiny bit of sympathy, which is why I like to see you respond occasionally, you do seem to sort them out much faster than most--- Anyway, I'm waffling on mad again--- well done is all I meant to say---lol  My operation looks like being on for next week sometime, as I have to have all my teeth out in a few stages first, just saw the doc, and he says I was definitely born with the dodgy valve and have been very lucky to survive this long---jeeeezzz--- one lucky Nutter so far!
    Posted by oynutter
    Thanks Nutter. Honestly, it SO pains me that these tortured souls get all het up so easily, when in fact they should condition their mind to be GLAD they are playing bad players, not annoyed. I'm old, been there, seen it, done it, & I just want to help them enjoy the game more. I have Twitter Feeds of lots of poker players, & am on numerous FB Pages, & all I see is moan moan moan. I just can't fathom why, that's all. 

    Reverting to more meaningful things - your health - wow, it all sounds very scary to me, I'd be frightened, I really would. But as you rightly & wisely observe, you have been, in some ways, "lucky". Your perspective on this episode in your life is to be commended, not many of us would be so brave. Well done you.

    Think I'd better exit Area 51 now!
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  • spornybolspornybol
    edited October 2011
    NO COMMENT, EXCEPT TO CHEER NUTTY UP, I`M REALLY HATING FLUSH CHASER`S
    (I WANT MY BAD BEAT STAR AWARD BACK)

    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    Allymac Small blind  25.00 25.00 2285.00
    spornybol Big blind  50.00 75.00 2242.50
     Your hole cards
    • Q
    • A
    		   
    j3ono Raise  100.00 175.00 4275.01
    TheObs Fold     
    crassh Call  100.00 275.00 1052.49
    Allymac Call  75.00 350.00 2210.00
    spornybol Call  50.00 400.00 2192.50
    Flop
      
    • 2
    • J
    • Q
    		   
    Allymac Bet  50.00 450.00 2160.00
    spornybol Call  50.00 500.00 2142.50
    j3ono Call  50.00 550.00 4225.01
    crassh All-in  1052.49 1602.49 0.00
    Allymac Call  1002.49 2604.98 1157.51
    spornybol All-in  2142.50 4747.48 0.00
    j3ono All-in  4225.01 8972.49 0.00
    Allymac All-in  1157.51 10130.00 0.00
    j3ono Unmatched bet  2065.01 8064.99 2065.01
    Allymac Show
    • Q
    • 10
    		   
    spornybol Show
    • Q
    • A
    		   
    j3ono Show
    • 4
    • A
    		   
    crassh Show
    • Q
    • 5
    		   
    Turn
      
    • 3
    		   
    River
      
    • 5
    		   
    j3ono Win Flush to the Ace 8064.99  10130.00
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  • drumahai05drumahai05
    edited October 2011

    re aknowlez

    i think you set a trap it backfired that's the danger when you go for a trap  that's poker unlucky so on to the next trap
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